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post #11 of 31 Old 12-17-2010, 04:44 PM
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Personally, instead of swift discipline and then back to normal with this horse, I would be making an almighty ruckus every time. I would carry a whip, and everytime she thought about biting or kicking, I would make her think she was going to die. Not by beating her - you generally don't even need to touch them. But yell, jump, wave your arms, whip the ground, drive her away.

I also wouldn't do this in a stall - I wouldn't be stalling her at all. She needs space to move away when you get after her. The submissive horse always moves away first which is hard to do in a stall, which may be part of the reason she fights back - she can't submit.
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post #12 of 31 Old 12-17-2010, 05:11 PM
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I think the op said she was in a pasture with other horses if I read her post correctly.
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post #13 of 31 Old 12-17-2010, 05:18 PM
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I don't know if anyone else suggested this I know its not your horse but maybe you could suggest to the owner one of the calming suppliments. I have a friend who has a very B***** mare and she put her on it and it helped her a lot.
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post #14 of 31 Old 12-17-2010, 05:38 PM
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agree totally with no stall, and keep her out of your space, as well as work on moving her feet. If she does try to bite, I would smack her. However-I did have one that became totally dangerous,it was some years ago, and I lacked the knowledge I have now. I also had small children at the time, so had NO tolerance for bad behavior. He actually was great and loving, then got comfortable and decided the herd was his, and anyone who went to the pasture to get a horse was fair game. He woud actually attack you and try to bite and kick. Carrying a whip made him worse. He found a new home down the road......and frankly, that was the only horse I have had that I couldn;t have cared less where he went. I have no idea if some of the knowledge I have now would have helped.
Good luck, stay safe, and if "g" wants to keep the horse, perhaps she needs to care for her for a while. If I were you, I would try, but don't be foolish. No horse is worth it.

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post #15 of 31 Old 12-17-2010, 08:00 PM
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I had a mare that bit and I actually bit her back. I can't beleive I did that but she got me right on my hip and it hurt so bad it brought tears to my eyes so I grabbed her face and bit her nose. Hard. She never bit me again!
One of my friends did that to the same effect!
I had a miniature latch on to my belly so bad you could have put a belly bar through it, it was at a carnival so I gave him an almighty smack on the cheek and got told off by the guy that was running them. I turned around and showed him the bite, which was bleeding and very unsightly, and asked if he wanted that 'thing' to bite the small children he was giving rides to. He obviously thought I had smacked for no reason because once i showed him the bite he apologised.

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post #16 of 31 Old 12-18-2010, 06:08 AM Thread Starter
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We have no option but to have her boxed - we live on the side of a valley and, with the snow, we literally cant turn out or they'd break legs. She's out full time during the summer and equally as horrid. She will fight you even in the field - she WONT run from you, she'll turn and fight.

We've tried calmers before and on one, there was no difference - on the other, she was WORSE. Almost as if she was doped and couldnt judge the situation so just reacted MUCH worse each time.

Her new ulcer-ease stuff is doing her some real good and she is marginally calmer.

I genuinely think she thinks shes top of the herd and she rules the roost. Need to prove otherwise!
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post #17 of 31 Old 12-18-2010, 08:49 AM
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She only ever gets smacked on the shoulder or bum (depending on where I am), never EVER on the face, I absolutely would never hit her on the face.

I think you're right about needing control of her feet. My problem is that she just bites. I do have a trainer that is willing to spend some time with me and her, but even he is nervous of having chunks ripped out of him again, and again, and again. Biting HURTS =[

Kitten_val, I have come back at her full force when she's bitten once or twice. The first time she looked shocked at cowered at the back of her box. The second time, she span and double barrelled me in the hip/bum. She will FIGHT you, she's extremely dominant.
Flame, the point is you do not HIT it in face, you just guard yourself with the elbow and the HORSE runs itself in it as it tries to get you. It's a horse's choice in this case so it'll never consider it as "abuse".

Frankly, I'd suggest a trainer or get rid of her (sorry if it sounds harsh). From how it sounds it's just very dangerous. And if she'd get you in knee you could very likely have problems walking till the end of your life (depending on how strong the hit was).

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post #18 of 31 Old 12-18-2010, 09:54 AM
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She knows she is bigger. That is a very dangerous thing.

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post #19 of 31 Old 12-18-2010, 11:26 AM Thread Starter
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She does.

To all those saying sell her on - I would never do that, I have too many morals. If we really can't make her nice, we'd have her put down. But I absolutely will not just sell her on to someone else - she could go and hurt them, and then how would I feel?

I love her and want to make her nice, but if she went to someone who didn't love her, and they beat her, or worse...? I couldnt guarantee her future that way.

I've spent most of this afternoon reading up about showmanship and commanding movement of feet etc. We're going to spend some time doing that, and see how we get on!
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post #20 of 31 Old 12-19-2010, 09:53 AM
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That horse would see hell from me, if not making it a big deal isn't working then make it a big deal!

As someone else suggested make her feel like she is going to die for biting you. Scream, shout, jump, wave your arms, make it see like the apocalypse!

All in all however, some horses cannot be saved. I once owned a pony that would bite or kick you, intentionally, whenever you got close enough. He once swung his bum towards me, pinned me to a wall and repeatedly kicked me. That was scary. We tried every method of calming humanly possible and NOTHING worked. Eventually he bit my mom on the scalp and she had to get stitches and a tetanus shot. We called his previous owner and returned him from the ER.

This horse seems flat out dangerous, if nothing is working with her, it's for your best interest to suggest to G to get rid of her, before she hurts someone else and they end up suing.
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