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post #1 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 09:01 PM Thread Starter
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Unhappy I want to buy the horse I have been leasing for 2 yrs but don't have the contract

I started leasing my horse two years ago at a rescue/boarding place. Basically what this guy does is he goes to meat auctions and buys the mares with foals or the younger horses that are being sold simply because they would make great horses, he also takes in race horses that are past their prime so they don’t go to meat markets or whatever. My horse was one of those mares at the meat auction. Then he boards other people’s horses and sells/leases the rescues out in order to subsidize them.
When he leased her my mom signed a contract stating conditions and price. He has a copy and he gave her one. Well she lost it. Now we want to buy her and everything is all screwed up.
Before I go on I just want to say that I totally acknowledge we are at fault for this issue. We should have looked after the contract and been better organized. I was 15 at the time and wasn’t thinking about filing stuff away, I just trusted my mom would keep it safe.
When we first started leasing her she was $500, then a month ago when I explained to him that the contract was missing and asked if I could see his copy he said he “lost it as well” but he’s pretty sure she is $750, then he came back two weeks later and was like just kidding I found it and she’s $1,200.
I love my mare, but she is not worth that much. He rescued her because he thought she was pregnant, but it turns out she was just really fat. She kicks and fights you if you are going in a direction she doesn’t agree with. She is an ex-dude horse so she doesn’t spook or take off, she is just a stubborn old mare. She is about 14 years old. She is a Belgian (crossed with something, maybe Quarter), but she has no papers and is not registered. She was used as a brood mare in the past (it is unclear by whom) and has a tumor type thing on her hind left leg, the vet looked at it and gave me a specific name for it (it’s not a tumor and it’s benign) I just forget what it is. She has such a bad attitude at times that the dude ranch that owned her would have rather sold her for meat than worked on her. My point is that she is not worth $1,200.
He won’t show us the copy of the contract he has. He won’t work with us. He knows we are inexperienced horse people. I love this mare so much, and I don’t care that she can’t show or do barrels or is old and cranky. I have put two years of work into her and over $6,000 into her and his barn in lease and tack. My mom even paid ahead until December because she didn’t know we would be moving near a barn that would be 3 minutes away from out new house. He still won’t work with us.
The thing that bothers me most is he will not show us his copy of our contract. He apparently keeps losing it then finding it then losing it right as want to see it.
I just need advice because I have never been put in this position before. If the only answer is “tough luck you should have been more organized” then I get it. But I just need to ask anyway if there is another solution.
Thank you for any constructive feedback
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post #2 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 09:11 PM
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I would just finish off your lease and move on. This guy is going to mess with you and jerk you around, if thats how he wants to be then he doesn't need your business. In the meantime save your money and start looking for something else. I know how it is to fall for a lease horse but with how shady this guy is seeming I wouldn't want to be anymore involved with him.

I am sorry you are in this situation it truly is unfair of people to take advantage of people with less knowledge but just think of it as a lesson learned, maybe try and find the paper still but don't keep your hopes up. The only other thing I can think of is contacting your local sheriffs and seeing if they can come with you or contact the guy for another copy of said lease/sale aggreement, although I have no idea if that is possible.

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post #3 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 09:16 PM Thread Starter
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I would just finish off your lease and move on. This guy is going to mess with you and jerk you around, if thats how he wants to be then he doesn't need your business. In the meantime save your money and start looking for something else. I know how it is to fall for a lease horse but with how shady this guy is seeming I wouldn't want to be anymore involved with him.

I am sorry you are in this situation it truly is unfair of people to take advantage of people with less knowledge but just think of it as a lesson learned, maybe try and find the paper still but don't keep your hopes up. The only other thing I can think of is contacting your local sheriffs and seeing if they can come with you or contact the guy for another copy of said lease/sale aggreement, although I have no idea if that is possible.

I don't know about the sheriff...but I do know people who have had horses all their lives (such as a friend of ours who owns a boarding barn and a friends who breeds and shows horses) would it be appropriate to bring them down and have them look at her and talk to him since they are more experienced and adults who he may respect more?
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post #4 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 09:35 PM
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Its always good to have an experienced horse person go with you when youre dealing with people like this guy.

I dont know how much it will help now- he knows you really want her and thats why hes jacked up the price on her.. i agree with, BarrelracingArabian. Its hard but you can find another horse- or at least tell this man that in hopes that he has a change of heart..
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post #5 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 09:43 PM
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Find the original document. If it's lost, then that means it has to be somewhere in your house right?

But I'd be inclined to also follow the advice of not dealing with someone like him. Sketchy people are not worth the trouble.

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post #6 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 10:44 PM
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I'm not sure bringing an experienced person will help. It is good to bring one with you so you know you are getting a good horse as they will know what questions and such to ask but in this situation I'm not so sure it'd do any good. This guy may even turn on you if you do push more for this document which can mean still no horse. So me personally I would move on, plus she doesn't sound like the best first time horse(just from your discription). I hope it works out for you though.

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post #7 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 11:16 PM
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I agree with others and finish your lease and move on. There are many great horses out there. However, I suspect when the seller realizes you are not falling for his price gouging ways that he will magically find the correct contract with the right price.

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post #8 of 14 Old 04-30-2013, 11:41 PM
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lease is one thing, buy is another, if he doesnt have the contract then he cant make you pay a lease either, you have a half trained, grade, medical issues, horse that is worth a couple hundred bucks at most. Offer 200 bucks, if he turns it down hand him the lead line, take your tack and go.
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post #9 of 14 Old 05-01-2013, 12:06 AM
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Without trying to jump to conclusions, from what you describe- this guy sounds like a horse flipper.In which case, he's going to get whatever he can out of you (and he's already gotten a lot). He doesn't care about selling her, his paycheck ends then. You've been reliably paying 500$ a month... whether it's the 1st price or the second, his paycheck ends in less than 3 months- so what good is it to him?

So far as stubborn mare- I was GIVEN a horse like that a couple years back- generally minor health issues- slight arthritis, about 14 years old. She was well trained , just fat, lazy, and had gotten away with throwing fits after being in a pasture for a year. She wasn't mean, not any particular bad habits. I DONATED her to a kid's camp (they were interested) they put 30 days on her (after I slimmed her down), and she was good as new (I wrote that they were to surrender her back to me if she didn't work out for her program)... She is now a lesson horse that does trails for kids. And she was FREE ... FREEEEEE ... free to me, free to them.

This guy you speak of... Shadey, shadey, shadey.
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post #10 of 14 Old 05-01-2013, 12:08 AM
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He knows you love her, so he's going to try to get as much money as he can out of you. I would be ready to leave, offer him what you originally agreed upon and if he says no cut your losses and go. I know it sucks, and seems like the end of the world to get rid of a horse you really like, but it isn't. You'll get over it and you'll likely find a horse you like even better.
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