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post #121 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 07:46 AM
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Sorry but I'm alo going to chip in with here with the fact that I'm gettin gHUGE red flags about your instructor. I teach occasionaly and normaly on the kids own horse (so I dont get much say in what they ride), however I would never EVER end a lesson with a child in tears. If I did have the choice of horses then I would be the one choosing not the student.


Begginer lessons should NEVER be 3 hours long. Adults lose concentration after approx 40 mins, children shorter periods of time (it has been scientificly proven that your ability to learn drops dramaticly after the 40 min time). My Lessons are generaly between 45 mins and an hour depending on the number of riders. more riders means I need more time at the beggining to get every one mounted, comfortable and sorted (so lesson sceduled for an hour).

Generaly though I give 45 min lessons as they work best and then people have a week to go away and digest all the information they have been given, think about it, mull it over, ask me for clarification etc.

Many of the horses you have described I would NOT concider as suitable for begginers, anything "unpredictable" would never be allowed into the lesson in the first place.

Heck if someone got to the point where the horse was reducing them to tears and I had no other suitable horse available then I would be getting on that horse and giving it hell untill it started behaving.

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post #122 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 09:27 AM
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The horse might do fine if it were for a 45 minute lesson. Any horse is going to get extremely tired of a lesson that lasts 3 hours, especially if it is a beginner lesson. Did you ever have to sit and listen to a 3 hour lecture at school?
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post #123 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
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See, I can't really tell him how long his lessons should be. I mean, there's somethings I could tell him, but I don't really think this is one of them. We do end up using every second, even though for at least a half hour to an hour we're just sitting in a circle on our horses and just talking.

Besides that, I actually like the length as it's the only time I'm around horses all week. We get a lot in and get a lot done, but we're all ready to be done when it's over.
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post #124 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 11:25 AM
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You said your next lesson will be in three weeks right? Is that the usual stretch between lessons, or is it usually once a week? I am just curious.
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post #125 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 11:40 AM
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I don't think you should tell him how long his lessons should be, you are right that is not your place. But could you try and explain what you do in those three hour lessons? I just want to get a better understanding of what he is having you guys all do! lol Does her have you groom your horses, tack them up? What is the general schedule of a lesson. I know things are going to change lesson to lesson but what stays the same for the most part? Just wondering :-D
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post #126 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 01:35 PM
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Regardless of everyone's opinion on your instructor, I think it's only fair that you talk to him about your issues. I'm sure the people here who teach lessons would like to have the same courtesy from their students before their students switched instructors (though I'm not sure anyone/everyone is actually suggesting you just switch immediately).

I think your instinct to avoid telling him how to do his job is right. I would just talk about the problems you're having with Kelly, etc.. etc... and see what solutions he comes up with.

If, after some time, his solutions don't work for you, I think you'd be justified in finding a different instructor.
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post #127 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 02:06 PM
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If, after some time, his solutions don't work for you, I think you'd be justified in finding a different instructor.
This I think you should definately give this guy a chance to help you, maybe he just hasn't clued in to the issues you are having. The only way he will know is if you talk to him (politely of course as I am sure you will do ) Although if he is unable/unwilling to help you with the situation then it is probably time to move on. He may be a great instructor, but maybe not the one for you. But as LisaG said, you should give him the chance to help you, your friend, and your mother.

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post #128 of 143 Old 02-01-2013, 07:01 PM Thread Starter
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Lesson schedule-

Arrive at 4:00.
Get ready and grab our stuff, done in five minutes or so.
Help tack up and groom all three to four horses, done in 20 minutes.
Get on, do exercises and walk our horses around a bit. We can get that done in 15 minutes.
Begin actual lesson by walking around the arena, turning circles, stopping and backing up. 30 minutes-ish.
Do whatever the lesson was that day. 25-30 minutes.
Sit around talking for 15 minutes or so, but the time really differs on this one.
Dismount, help take off horse tack and thank Virgil. Usually this only takes ten minutes.

Therefor, the lesson usually ends at around 6:10.

We have lessons every week, but this month we have to wait three weeks. My mom is leaving for DC and there's no one to take us.

@Everyone: Thanks again, I'll consider a lot of it~ <3 If we all decide it's right, we will try to find another instructor.
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post #129 of 143 Old 02-04-2013, 08:54 PM
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Ok, heres what I would think about. Lets say your mom bought you a horse(not a suggestion at all) and your horse started acting like Kelly would you give up on her? Would you dump her? No (atleast I'd hope not) you would want to make your partnership as good as possible and work on the issues. Do that with Kelly, you may find she is the best horse at the barn. Oh and think how good you will look when(because you will do it if you put everything into it) you show everyone how awesome your mount is.

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post #130 of 143 Old 02-04-2013, 10:12 PM
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Ok, heres what I would think about. Lets say your mom bought you a horse(not a suggestion at all) and your horse started acting like Kelly would you give up on her? Would you dump her? No (atleast I'd hope not) you would want to make your partnership as good as possible and work on the issues. Do that with Kelly, you may find she is the best horse at the barn. Oh and think how good you will look when(because you will do it if you put everything into it) you show everyone how awesome your mount is.
Yup, for me there's nothing more motivating than people saying "Oh, that horse is so difficult/unpredictable/stubborn" or "Why not just sell him and get something fun to ride?" - got that second one a lot with Brock. There were many times when I'd be found having a good cry in the tackroom after a bad session. But the more people said "you just don't seem to be having fun" or "wouldn't you like a horse that's ready to compete?", the more determined I became to overcome the problems. I knew I wasn't overfaced with him, it was just such a wide range of problems and the lazy bit of me just wanted to hop on and ride like I would on a finished horse, and concentrate on my riding.

But riding Brock did more for my riding skills than any lesson horse ever did - my seat is 1000% better, my confidence is sky-high and I've learned a lot of patience and how to problem-solve on the go. No well-behaved push-button horse could have ever taught me that stuff. And people saw me ride and remembered what he was like when I first got him, and remarked that we'd come a long way. That was nice, but the best feeling came from when I'd realise we'd just done something without even thinking that we couldn't do at all 3-6 months before. That was real payoff for all the blood, sweat, dirt, tears, bruises and replacement helmets.

Keep persevering with Kelly (if you can't change instructors) - but do try and ride Gray Guy occasionally, even if it means getting a separate additional lesson. It's sometimes good to check your progress on an easier horse, and I think you'll quickly find as you progress with Kelly that riding horses like Gray Guy is pretty boring (no offence to them - they have an important job!). I can't even go on a trail or hack anymore without asking for a horse with spooking/bolting issues - I need something to keep me entertained and you will too. Just keep reminding yourself you'll be a much better rider at the end of it all, and tick off each thing you can do with Kelly as you do them (start off with simple stuff like "an energetic walk" or "cantering" but then move onto more difficult stuff like "canter at the first ask", "halt with seat only", "well-shaped small circle at trot" etc). It's a great way to feel like you're actually getting somewhere!
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