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post #51 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:12 PM
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The reason people are giving you 'negative advice'/criticism is because of your attitude that you did absolutely nothing wrong and everything is the BLMs fault and how DARE they take away your horse.
I'm sure something got lost in translation. And that sucks. But it happens. And even if they screwed up somehow in understanding your description or were the wrong people, they are still looking out for the welfare of your horse.

What makes people scared for your horse is not a need for drama. It is us hearing that you thing 1x1s and some wire are safe for a feral horse. Especially if this is your first horse (I have no idea if it is. All I know is based off of this thread).
It was also your attitude of "Well I dont care what they say because its my horse and they already approved me once" plus your concern over pricing.

If it was the BLMs fault, so what. That's dealing with people and especially adoptions. Horses cost money and sometimes a LOT more than you budgeted for.

It looks like you havent been on this forum long, and from the sounds of horses not around horses for as long as many of the senior members here. If anyone comes off 'mean/dramatic/etc' it is because of the vast amount of people we see both on this thread and in life who get into horses (especially the pretty wild mustangs) with not a clue of what is involved. Everyone is trying to speak for the horse (and I can assure you you are not the only person on here that rides something other than a TB or Morgan. I dont actually think theres many breed snobs on here...)

If you are actually putting on your big girl panties and fixing the shelter to fit BLM standards, you can afford the care, you understand why the wire and 1x1s would be risky and are just upset about a missing line of communication. Fine.

But you will soon learn that it's much safer for us to expect the worse (especially with how you presented the situation).
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post #52 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:13 PM
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So now the fencing is costing me an UNNECESSARY 250$ extra on top of the grand or more i already spent, BECAUSE OF THEIR ERROR, not mine.
Was the BLM rep your grade school teacher? Did they teach you how to read? No? Then go to the BLM website and READ THEIR REGULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop blaming them because you can't/won't read or adhere to them!

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post #53 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:16 PM
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well...

I personally have my horses at my house. I do take care of them and pay for them myself. I also care for my moms horses, and yes she does help pay for them, but since they are hers it's only fair. I also have a full time job, a child, a husband, dogs, cats, a rat, and a pig. I do sweat quite often actually...My husband does help pay for the horses and he does help me with the hay and the fencing, I don't do it ALL myself but I do sweat... daily... I even sweat in the winter when I'm hauling water buckets to the barn because the water lines are frozen. Yep, I sweat quite often. Sometimes I even bleed......

Anyone else sweat?

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post #54 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:20 PM
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I have given good advice, just as others have. We have told you that wire is simply NOT a good idea for a feral horse.
The information is available for all to see on the website. The problem with wire isn't that it won't HOLD a horse, it's that it will tear the horse to shreds if it challenges the wire. It WILL hold a horse- too well. The problem is if the horse runs at it in a blind panic, it doesn't see the wire, and slices its chest open, and gets a leg or two tangled in the wire. The point behind the boards is that they are visible, and while they might cause some wounds, they won't cut like wire does. You have already been told that you talked to the wrong people, and got approval from the wrong people. You tried to go against what is written right on the public web-site, you tried to cut corners, and you got burned. Do not get mad at me because of your mistake.
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post #55 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:22 PM
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well...

I personally have my horses at my house. I do take care of them and pay for them myself. I also care for my moms horses, and yes she does help pay for them, but since they are hers it's only fair. I also have a full time job, a child, a husband, dogs, cats, a rat, and a pig. I do sweat quite often actually...My husband does help pay for the horses and he does help me with the hay and the fencing, I don't do it ALL myself but I do sweat... daily... I even sweat in the winter when I'm hauling water buckets to the barn because the water lines are frozen. Yep, I sweat quite often. Sometimes I even bleed......

Anyone else sweat?
I have poured more blood, sweat, and tears into the years [decades? am I allowed to count in decades yet?] I've been in the industry than I'd like to admit, thanks.
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post #56 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:22 PM
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^exactly.

none of this would have happened if the OP would have just gone by the guidelines instead of trying to skimp.
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post #57 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:31 PM
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Did you find any good wood on craigslist? You might want to try a lumber liquidator too. Not sure if there is any around you. My husband just got enough wood to build a run-in shelter for the horses and a work bench for his garage for free from his work. I believe some of the wood is 1x3s. The wood was used for shipping large equipment and was sitting in the dumpster. Maybe you could call around and see if a factory have some sitting somewhere? We spent a lot of money on our fence this summer also. Thought it was solid and one of the horses took a good portion of it down the other day (luckily without a mark on her).

I think every fence poses a danger when it comes to horses. They crash into wood and get splinters and cuts. They go through wire and get cut up. They get their foot caught in field fence. They go through electric the moment it goes weak. I think your main worry is doing the best you can to make BLM happy and keep your horse safe. Which I think you are trying to do anyway.

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post #58 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:35 PM
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I think every fence poses a danger when it comes to horses. They crash into wood and get splinters and cuts. They go through wire and get cut up. They get their foot caught in field fence. They go through electric the moment it goes weak. I think your main worry is doing the best you can to make BLM happy and keep your horse safe. Which I think you are trying to do anyway.
You want to minimize the risk. I would much prefer a few splinters and rubs from wood as compared to a wire slice. Some people keep horses on barbed wire with few or no injuries; it doesn't make it any less dangerous. With a feral Mustang, you have to be ten times more careful than with a domesticated horse; they don't understand fencing.
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post #59 of 116 Old 10-25-2010, 09:35 PM Thread Starter
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bullied everyone? I'm an 18 year old girl how threatening can i be to someone bud? AND THOSE ARE the rules and regulations they gave me? Wow guess you cant find the power in your brain to understand. And once again, been around horses forever, only reason its MY first is because ive never been allowed by the parents to own one. Doesnt mean i cant break and train them and am not willing to put in the effort. Good assumption smart one. And you think i didnt consider the horse being hurt by wire? It's not wire, its CABLE. and its coated. if you werent a "spoiled brat" yourself and knew anything about building material you would know the difference. It doesnt bend and wrap around things like wire. its very stiff and rounded and easy on whater it hits. and thick enough. its not thin little chicken wire that you can decapitate things with. not that stupid. no way ANYTHING could get wrapped in in this cable. And my bf's a builder, and he turnbuckled tightened it, looped the ends, and cable clamped it so nothing's sharp or can be wrapped around anything. It's probably twice as safe as wherever you keep yours. the poles are 4 feet cemented into the ground too, not goin anywhere. and the lean is build like a house, sturdy and reliable, and SAFE with nothing sharp or potentially dangerous. And the gate was purchased separately from a place called shagbarks, and its BUILT FOR HORSES. Trust me this corral was built around the notion of safety. Even the woman who approved my app said she saw that. I didnt bully anyone. i called and i asked if my idea was a good one, and they said yes. I asked again when i was there in person just to make sure. they said awesome looks like i am being very safe and thoughtful. It was the one self righteous horse savior who trailered it that made this decision. not her place. I'm only getting an attitude because of yours. Why dont you take the time to read what i say, rather than skip through it and see the clips and bits you want to so you can twist it for your own sick personal venting reasons. and once again, I DIDNT CUT CORNERS. It was twice as much work and the same amount of money for cable over wood. tightening it all with turnbuckles and whatnot was not "easy". would have been much easier to screw in a couple boards. And also just to add, this horse has been with the blm for over a year, even when a guy jumped in the pen, he didnt go for the fence. He's already for the most part fence trained. Some people use CHICKEN WIRE for their fencing. Now thats not safe. Thats not what this cable it. The metal part isnt even exposed, its coated. This whole corral was "built in the best interest of the horse". you don't know me, you dont know what's happened. So why dont you stop reading the parts the you want to see, and actually read whats really goin on. But i doubt that, you'll just keep trolling posts like you've been doing for your own dramatic needs. Take care have fun watching other people break your horses for you now. By the way, now you're talking to Guitarchumps, boyfriend, a seven year horse breaking veteran, and a journeyman carpenter (union). I think OSHA's standards are set quite a bit higher than that of the BLM's. And i would never build anything that would sacrifice the animals safety. I've had a very serious respect and love for horses my entire life as well. Don't tell her shes "bullying" people into getting what she wants. Not exactly possible for an 18 year old blonde haired blue eyed girl to sway the minds of BLM officials. And if she did then she sure as hell need to get some new **** employees. Bye now.
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AND ONCE AGAIN ITS NOT THE MONEY. IT WAS THE IDEA THAT THE WIRE MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SAFER FOR THE WILD HORSE THAN A BOARD THAT IT COULD SMASH DOWN AND RUN A MILE ONTO I95 INTO ONCOMING TRAFFIC. THE WIRE IS NOT ACTUALLY "WIRE". IT'S INFACT AIRCRAFT CABLE COATED IN A THICK DURABLE RUBBER, AND ITS THICK ENOUGH THAT IT CANT SLICE ANYTHING OPEN. IT IS DESIGNED FOR ANIMAL FENCING. I BUILD THESE THINGS FOR A LIVING. - mike
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