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post #31 of 41 Old 06-14-2013, 06:46 PM
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I think I understand what you are trying say. I've always shown at the local/open show level and in 4-H when I was younger and it's always bothered me when people way over qualified show in classes beneath them just as a gimme class (I just witnessed a couple weeks ago someone I know like that who chose to enter a class last minute because they saw how easy it was going to be to win) or sometimes even show at these shows at all. I understand that some people view these shows just as "schooling" shows for themselves as practice for bigger shows, and if you have a young horse and are just trying to gain some experience then I could understand that. It's the people that have Congress level horses that show breed shows on a regular basis and do well that come to these small shows just for the heck of it that really bother me. Maybe it is just fun and practice for them, but to everyone else who this is the only shows they ever go to, it matters more than that and they're not giving these people a chance. I feel that is what's wrong. There's one person I know of here that has a relatively famous horse (has a Breyer like toy horse made for him) and they show this horse at these local shows. Why? I just don't get it. I think that's an example of bad showmanship and rudeness.

Then there's also the people who buy their kids, again, national breed show placing level horses just to show at these shows and the fair alone so that they can win every class and not even really have to try. They are all about winning, most don't even seem to care about their horses or have fun, they trade them out for a new model every year, all push button nonsense. Again, a couple weeks ago I watched one of these families that are regulars around here's horse with a tiny little girl on it's back in the ring, the horse knew the routine and what they were saying to do over the speaker and did everything for the girl while she just bounced around and never gave a single cue. I don't see the fun in that or how you could ever be proud of your ride. These people need to move up in order to challenge themselves.

I mean do you think it's fun for kids to go to a show and know they have zero chance of ever winning in some of these classes no matter how hard they work as long as they can't afford a $10,000+ horse? Some will view it as a challenge and work harder, sure, and I think I did pretty well and was proud of myself for every win I earned, but the western pleasure classes were still always a bit out of my league and there was nothing I could do about that since I wasn't willing to trade in my horses every year for a newer model. Because to me it's always been about the horses first and my love for the animals themselves, and competition second (and I am pretty competitive by nature, not a here's a ribbon for everyone, let's not keep score kinda person lol). Wow, I got a bit carried away there lol....sorry about that. So final thoughts, not saying that these people shouldn't show or even necessarily that more rules should be made, it is a free country after all. Just saying that I don't get it and that it can be pretty frustrating.
We have had national breed show winners show up at some open shows I attended because there was a good amount of prize money. Most didn't place that high, the judging standards are different. One young lady with her HUS AQHA winner left in a huff and told everyone within earshot how poor the judging was. Different associations, different standards of judging, but the reiners did clean up.
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I think it all boils down to, "Why are you showing?" in the first place. I show to have a 'get away' weekend with my husband and horse, basically not have to do chores at home kind of weekend. I don't care if it's a little backyard show or if it's a US Nationals kind of show, if I don't enjoy myself, I won't do it twice. So, when I have a green horse like my stallion, I show WT at small shows for a season to let them get miles and to get their feet wet away from home. I go to these small shows because I can show for 2 days for around $100 bucks, and heck you can't go out to dinner at a really nice restaurant and have dinner for 2 for that price, so I consider it cheap entertainment. These small shows can be FIERCE. I've shown against world champs and worked very hard to do well against them. I've been doing this all my life, so it isn't about the ribbons or prizes anymore for me. I set a goal like, can I get Skippy in and out of the gates, past the mares and around the ring without a meltdown. Last year, we went to the last show of the year, and it was all about, get him out, get him over being scared of a new place and see how he acts. First class we were a little too forward, and we weren't consistent with our gaits, placed 6th out of 15. I was prouder of that than I was of a National Championship, the horse had only had maybe 50 days(?) under saddle. Next class, the open against trainers, we did a LOT better. A lot more consistent, more collected, and still no melt downs. I was THRILLED to have seen that much improvement. There were 20 horses in that class, so I didn't expect to even place. I was over the MOON when we won. I never expected that. My concentration was such, I couldn't have told you if there was another horse in either class with us, and I sure couldn't have told you how one of 'em did. I was totally focussed on getting us around the ring and doing what the announcer asked.

So, this year, I expect more from him. Still WT, still gaining experience and miles, but I expect him to do it BETTER. And I expect ME to do it better. I haven't ridden at non-Arab shows in 20 years, this is like starting all over again. And Skip and I are riding against OURSELVES, to see improvement every time. I, personally, don't care who is in the class on what horse, but I also understand that I'm in the minority.

I do follow the rules, we don't go to this show and show WT and then go to the fair and show WTC and then come back and WT some more. That's not what we're showing for, we're working our way around the ring and up the levels. It's all about the challenge for us, and outdoing ourselves. I do show Open and Ammy, I'm an Ammy but I've shown Open all my life. Besides, when I do real well, I LIKE going in and beating a trainer or 2, it's good for 'em and it's good for me! LOL!
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I think I understand what you are trying say. I've always shown at the local/open show level and in 4-H when I was younger and it's always bothered me when people way over qualified show in classes beneath them just as a gimme class (I just witnessed a couple weeks ago someone I know like that who chose to enter a class last minute because they saw how easy it was going to be to win) or sometimes even show at these shows at all. I understand that some people view these shows just as "schooling" shows for themselves as practice for bigger shows, and if you have a young horse and are just trying to gain some experience then I could understand that. It's the people that have Congress level horses that show breed shows on a regular basis and do well that come to these small shows just for the heck of it that really bother me. Maybe it is just fun and practice for them, but to everyone else who this is the only shows they ever go to, it matters more than that and they're not giving these people a chance. I feel that is what's wrong. There's one person I know of here that has a relatively famous horse (has a Breyer like toy horse made for him) and they show this horse at these local shows. Why? I just don't get it. I think that's an example of bad showmanship and rudeness.

Then there's also the people who buy their kids, again, national breed show placing level horses just to show at these shows and the fair alone so that they can win every class and not even really have to try. They are all about winning, most don't even seem to care about their horses or have fun, they trade them out for a new model every year, all push button nonsense. Again, a couple weeks ago I watched one of these families that are regulars around here's horse with a tiny little girl on it's back in the ring, the horse knew the routine and what they were saying to do over the speaker and did everything for the girl while she just bounced around and never gave a single cue. I don't see the fun in that or how you could ever be proud of your ride. These people need to move up in order to challenge themselves.

I mean do you think it's fun for kids to go to a show and know they have zero chance of ever winning in some of these classes no matter how hard they work as long as they can't afford a $10,000+ horse? Some will view it as a challenge and work harder, sure, and I think I did pretty well and was proud of myself for every win I earned, but the western pleasure classes were still always a bit out of my league and there was nothing I could do about that since I wasn't willing to trade in my horses every year for a newer model. Because to me it's always been about the horses first and my love for the animals themselves, and competition second (and I am pretty competitive by nature, not a here's a ribbon for everyone, let's not keep score kinda person lol). Wow, I got a bit carried away there lol....sorry about that. So final thoughts, not saying that these people shouldn't show or even necessarily that more rules should be made, it is a free country after all. Just saying that I don't get it and that it can be pretty frustrating.
Thats pretty much exactly what I'm getting at. Really I don't care whether or not I get a ribbon, however it would be nice to get some recognition from hard work I've put into my filly...Gosh I remember when I got her (just barley a 2 year old) and how she didn't know jack-squat. Literally, nothing. She had some rides on her but they were nothing more than: this is a saddle, this is a person, did you know you can walk/trot/canter with a person and a saddle on your back? Not even 4 minutes of work. So I turned her out until the summer. She didn't even know a thing of showmanship. Now she does pivots/pull-pivots/squares up by herself/trots/backs up/etc. all by me teaching her, and thats her on the ground. Now that shes a 3 year old she has jumped leaps and bounds from when I first got her.

I absolutely love going to a show and putting what my horse knows to the test and coming out knowing what I need to work on. But being put up against horses who are out of our reach, at the moment, its hard to compare yourselves to them if you know what I mean. Whether or not those people bought perfectly made horses or not is none of my business, because you can get from point A to point B with improvements with any horse green or not. I just find it upsetting when people who have those horses that are very well trained are going into classes to compete against the younger horses. It never makes any sense to me.

@Dreamcatcher Arabians- Hehe that's the same path Faith and I are following. Except next year, when we do more breed shows, we will be doing w/t/c. If she isn't ready then we'll skip the breed shows and still do w/t. (:

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I absolutely love going to a show and putting what my horse knows to the test and coming out knowing what I need to work on. But being put up against horses who are out of our reach, at the moment, its hard to compare yourselves to them if you know what I mean.

@Dreamcatcher Arabians- Hehe that's the same path Faith and I are following. Except next year, when we do more breed shows, we will be doing w/t/c. If she isn't ready then we'll skip the breed shows and still do w/t. (:
AQHA, when I was younger (like 100 years ago) I used to show at this little backyard show in San Bernardino, CA at 6th & Tippecanoe. It was the grubbiest little place, all of the ETI Corral arenas were kind of grubby and shabby, at least back then. I was 12 years old and riding my very first "owned" horse, a 3 y.o. OTTB named Bruiser LaRue, nicknamed Boozer because he liked to steal beer. He and I were both green as grass and barely doing Hunter Hack in an area where you had to travel 4 hrs to buy a hard hat. The footing was awful, but we frequently had 50 or more riders in those classes, and that was just for my age group. My trainer was all about getting miles so I rode in my age group, open, and 18 and under. After I'd been at it about 3 years, I discovered I was riding against the likes of George Morris, Rodney Jenkins and Hap Hansen and being judged by Clyde Kennedy. I got my a$$ kicked around that ring many times but I could never ever replace all I learned at that grubby little show. I didn't know who those guys were THEN but I learned. I learned about them and from them and when we all met up at Rancho Bernardo in a jumping class.......I'll tell you what...I knew I had done something to come in right behind those guys for time and clean rounds. On BOOZER, the racetrack reject, my one and only horse at that time.

Don't you worry about comparing yourself to the other folks who may have more expensive and more trained horses who've been doing it longer. Just watch what they do, copy what works and throw out what doesn't. Be friendly and get to know them and ask them for tips. They'll give 'em to you, there's nothing an accomplished showman likes to do more than show off and tell stories. LISTEN and LEARN and come back and beat their butts at the Worlds. Be GLAD you have tough competition, it will make you better much faster than if all you had to do was compete against other folks at the same level you're at.

If I can get thrown out of the ring by Clyde Kennedy because I DARED to wear a colored hunt shirt (back then everyone pretty much wore livery, black coat, white shirt and tan or yellow breeches) in HIS ring, by God, you can go through it all too! He gave me 30 seconds to get a white shirt and get back in the ring. I don't think the old f*rt (God rest his LOVELY, knowledgable soul) thought for 1 minute that I'd fly out that gate and strip right there and borrow my trainer's shirt and get back in there before the gate closed on me, but I did it. This was at State Champs in Santa Rosa and NO I didn't win, not a thing except food poisoning, that trip!
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Very wise words Dreamcatcher (: thank you for that!

Hehe, I love the Clyde Kennedy incident. I think we've all had our shine in the glory light here and there (like when I called the MALE judge a ma'am...Lucky for me, he knew I didn't mean it and took it as a joke).

Thank you for your words, something to remind us all!
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I do understand the frustration, but let me tell you...My daughter shows. We bought her a foundation bred QH mare who never really had a job.

Acey is a great mare with a great mind, but will never be a breed level show horse. With the help of her trainer over the past two years Kitten (my daughter) and Acey have come so far. They may not always place first or even second, but my daughter is so proud of herself. She regularly competed against two girls with $15,000 finished show horses and she can hold her own. :).

I always tell her that she can take pride in the fact that she took her basic little horse and worked hard to train her herself. That if those other girls were to ride Acey into the show ring, they would not do nearly as well. Kitten has to WORK to get Acey to perform her best and no matter where they place, she should be proud of herself and Acey. She is an amazing rider because she had to work at it.

So, the bottom line is that showing really should be about what the rider and horse and how well they are advancing in their training. :)
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I know how you feel. Daughter showed 4h a few years back and one young girl showed w/t who was very clearly a ringer. Absolutely perfect (well, for 4h, and small local show..) the judge obviously saw it as well...gave her 2nd (although she would have deserved 1st) I am guessing as a way of telling her he was 'on' to her. She had a meltdown, crying her eyes out. But the moms I was with thought it was 'fair'. (I think she showed w/t/c as well...and not like the judge would not notice!). But question for the OP...at what stage do you tell someone that they need to move on? If you are placing consistently in the top 3? It is hard to know if they have a solid canter. But I do get a bit annoyed when people show up at the small local shows who are merely warming up their horses for the BIG shows coming up..and then enter w/t... I'm sure they don't care about the ribbons, but come on....
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What sort of "shows" are these, as in dressage you always get the written comments which is what I would be doing a walk trot comp for with a youngster or a horse I was bringing on, it is never for the rosette but for improving your score :)

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post #39 of 41 Old 06-17-2013, 07:22 AM
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it is a good way to learn how u can approve, hence why it is judged..not all about blue ribbens
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post #40 of 41 Old 06-17-2013, 07:37 AM
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where i show at, you cannot compete in walk/trot classes and then turn around and do walk/trot/canter classes. its one or the other.
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