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post #21 of 28 Old 09-16-2019, 08:51 PM
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You have good points. I don't think racing is as currupt as is made out to be. And certainly not anywhere near other sports.

Saturday on CBS national television refs where blatantly cheating on their national sec college game. Everyone knows why they where doing it. The announcers are in on it. I'm shocked Gary said. No you ain't.
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post #22 of 28 Old 09-16-2019, 09:05 PM
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But when non-horsey friends ask me how come there is so much corruption in racing, how come people don't care about the horses, etc I am more and more at a loss how to answer. Because it sure doesn't look very good to the general public..
This is a perfect summary of how I feel about it.
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You have good points. I don't think racing is as currupt as is made out to be. And certainly not anywhere near other sports.
I don't disagree with you; I think most sports are big business and all about the money. But most other sports involve only humans.. and humans can speak for themselves.

The current situation with Justify sure doesn't look like anybody involved is putting the best interest of the horse first. That perception needs to change, as it opens the door for the AR nuts to keep pressing home their points/agendas. I sure hope some of these sensational articles get the powers that be thinking.
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This article is a bit long, but I thought the perspective shared was interesting:
https://www.thoroughbredracing.com/a...re-failing-us/
The synopsis was basically that Justify/Baffert are not the real story here; the bigger story is that the entities who should be looking out for cheating (state commissions, vets, etc.) have no real interest in doing so, and without uniform standards and a rigorous out of competition testing program, things will continue to spiral downward. Of course, easier said than done.

I know you can't be 100% sure if people posting online are who they say they are, but I appreciate that Barry Irwin (assuming it really is him) seems to frequent the major racing publications and post on these kinds of articles from an owner's perspective. It seems like he's one of "the good guys." Just for fun, here's a flashback to Animal Kingdom winning the Derby (I skipped my PhD graduation ceremony because I had the chance to go to his Derby in 2011- so I'm really not a racing hater!! Just wish it could get out of its own way and make things better...)


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Iv said before the real dirty little secret of racing is nobody really wants more control.
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@aubie - no one currently in power wants it I do think there are some who are open. Just not that can do anything about it...
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post #28 of 28 Old 09-19-2019, 04:21 PM
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@aubie - no one currently in power wants it I do think there are some who are open. Just not that can do anything about it...
Correct. They would like the public to spend more money of course but don't really want to do anything that would bring that about.

And on the subject of money,it goes hand in had with the drug use. And for me the real sadness and most abuse is not at the top level, but the lower level. Not enough to go around, lack of real national sponsorship or anything like league sharing means purses at the bottom suffer. Small time trainers just hanging on turn to it.

The sad fact is that it's worth more to them to drug a horse to win a lower level claiming race than wait to run where he fits for a decent purse.

I'm not against lower level tracks or horses at all. They just needs to be more races with better purses. More that aren't claiming. Just a race. That doesn't happen without growth at the top.
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