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post #11 of 54 Old 03-30-2013, 11:17 PM
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"The question wasn't "why is my horse not listening". It was "How do you guys stay calm while riding a frustrating horse". I knew I'd get comments about my 'method' today, but that was just a back story. Not what the post was essentially about."
Sorry, we speak to what we read, I agree with what the other posters wrote, now true they did not answer your question but that's because they see a MUCH bigger problem and so do I but you are asking your horse to do somethink that you think he is trained to do and when he doesn't do what you think he should you have nothing to fall back on because you are without a sabble and bridle. Then you find your horse is not willing to do what you are asking of him, then you get mad at the horse because you didn't come train him you came to ride him. So now your are mad and you take it out on the horse because he tested you to see if you would really be able to make him do what you wanted, but you can't. So now your mad and he wins so you use poor training to show him he has to do what you ask. So to answer YOUR question, how should YOU keep from getting mad when riding YOUR horse. Its really really easy. put a bridle on him and don't use it. Then when he tests you, you have a fall back pick up the reins make him do what you asked, put down the reins. You just trained your horse your horse learned and YOU ARE NOT MAD. its a win win... other then you have to take the time to put on a bridle. There that is how I would keep from getting mad at my horse If I was you. does that answer your question?
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post #12 of 54 Old 03-30-2013, 11:19 PM
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You do not need to "bond" with this horse. Your horse will not "love" you unconditionally. "Oh, this girl is so little, maybe I shouldn't pull through her hands today because she loves me and I love her!" I'm afraid, this isn't the black stallion.

I am very close to my mare Selena, but I wouldn't say she "loves" me or is "bonded" to me in that sense. She is only bonded to me in the way that I have her respect and she recognizes me as the herd leader.

Horses can't always be won over by going easy on them. Some horses legitimately need to be reprimanded, sometimes harsher than you'd like to but not ever without reason. They are very capable of killing you.

I would do groundwork with this horse first. Clinton Anderson is good, he'll show you how to get all of the groundwork done. Downunder Horsemanship TV has episodes you can watch with horses who have respect issues.

Don't take any crap from this horse. He's learned to push you around. Bonding won't fix it. Horses push other horses they feel are lower than themselves around. In order to get anywhere, you have to push HIM around a little and make sure he respects you. If there are no holes on the ground, get to the saddle and work on it. He tries to brace and run off? Bend him around and make him yield to the bridle and make him work in figure eights. (Also make sure he yields to the bit on the ground. Get a running martingale on neutral if you have to so his head can't shoot up. Take it off when you feel he's safe again) He tries to get back to the other horses? Fine, work his rump off next to them til he sweats and then let him rest away from them.

Also, on the keeping calm issue, breathe the horse down. I've ridden horses who simply go from terrors to easily subdued and calm just from me remembering to relax and breathe. Be conscious of this. Tension in your body will tense him up as well.

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #13 of 54 Old 03-30-2013, 11:21 PM
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Oh I should add - It's a good idea to stop letting him wander around wherever with you on his back. Teaches him that listening to you is optional.
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Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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Riding bridless is a gage of your training, you got the measurement on that gage, back to more training I'd say.
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post #15 of 54 Old 03-30-2013, 11:25 PM
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Thanks for your opinion Dancing, I appreciate it but I know this horse and I know he knows how to do this. I think you were correct about him not respecting me and I plan on doing more groundwork with him tomorrow.
His behavior has zero to do with knowing how to respond to your signals and has everything to do with him knowing that he does not have to. As far as he's concerned, listening to you is optional.
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post #16 of 54 Old 03-31-2013, 12:13 AM
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Dancing and Tiffany- I have been working with him recently, but we just weren't bonding... It might sound stupid but oh well. I like when the horse and me know eachother, it makes them easier to read. And we use to be like that and hopefully are on our way back there.
I was riding bareback and bridleless because I can. He knows legs cues, he responds to my voice, and when I ride with a bridle, I rarely use. Most of the time, the reins are loose on his neck and I'm not touching them. I use legs and voice cues even when I have the bridle on. It just is less work for me when I don't put it on.
The other three days, he was listening to me and doing fine. The fence mounting issue was solved after the first day, him not wanting to back yesterday was solved that same day, and then today, not listening to my cues was solved. But I didn't solve it how I would have liked to solve it today.
The question wasn't "why is my horse not listening". It was "How do you guys stay calm while riding a frustrating horse". I knew I'd get comments about my 'method' today, but that was just a back story. Not what the post was essentially about.
I assure you, he is more than capable of doing what I ask. He just didnt feel like it today.
Thank you for answering my question Icrazy. I was unclear about if the horse was prepared.

When my horse frustrates me with what appears to be "I don't know what you are asking of me!" Or "i can't!" I go back to a lower level of her training where I feel certain we will be successful. My horse and i gain confidence and we both calm down in our old routines.

Then, she starts to get bored because she knows it so well and we are ready to step back up to more recent training.

If its "I won't!", we have a different conversation. Refusal or misbehavior = more work, like someone else suggested that you work your horse hard near the other horse and rest him away. Good advice.

In this case, I agree with others that you might wanna be sure to use the bridle. He seems to need the back up right now.

In all cases, take a deep breath and relax knowing its all part if the fun of training and that riding is always training.

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How do I stay calm with a frustrating horse:

1. I stay calm....that ones easy.
2. And if I can't stay calm, I make an easy request of the horse (something I KNOW he will do easily and willingly) , have him do it well, then I dismount and go home and think about it.
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How do I stay calm with a frustrating horse:

1. I stay calm....that ones easy.
2. And if I can't stay calm, I make an easy request of the horse (something I KNOW he will do easily and willingly) , have him do it well, then I dismount and go home and think about it.
Sounds like you give up. That may work for some people and some horses, but if I let my guy win, he will always be difficult when I ask him to do that task.

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Sounds like you give up. That may work for some people and some horses, but if I let my guy win, he will always be difficult when I ask him to do that task.
It's not giving up. I always end my lessons on a good note, even if its something as simple as a "whoa" and "stand". I have a very green mare. She is also very intelligent and extremely sensitive. This makes her easy yet harder to train. We often nail things and then I jump ahead to the next step. Often she nails that too but forgets the last lesson. So I've learned to master one thing before moving on and if we end on a bad note, like me climbing off frustrated then she'll be a pain next time. By ending on a good note it keeps her from thinking about the bad behavior and focuses on the positive. Its essential in my opinion to always end on a good note. Set him up for success and when he succeeds stop right there and put him back out to pasture. Its a tried and true method. Keep riding frustrated and he will start to resent working with you. Some times its better to walk away, take a deep breath, and look at it from a new angle. Sometimes in our frustration we overlook what can be a very simple answer. Yes you want him to always listen to you and respect you but have a little but of empathy as well. Stop blaming the horse and take responsibility. He is only what YOU make him.
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I did end on a good note. But instead of stopping what I was trying to get him to do, I pushed till he stopped being lazy and listened. Right after he did what I wanted, we stopped. I always end on a good note.

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