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post #1 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 01:01 AM Thread Starter
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I recently was searching for a new-to-me riding horse, and someone posted a link on the thread to a kill buyer. I did not realize it was a kill buyer, until I went to the site.

Then it was too late to unsee what it was.

I have not been able to stop myself from checking the site, and my heart breaks for the horses that go there for such a short time until loading on the truck to the slaughter houses in Mexico.

"Deadline Friday" or "Deadline" Sunday is at the end of every ad.


These are mostly all good, useable horses. Older, in their 15-20's but also some babies. There are two Rocky Mountain horse yearling fillies on there now. Deadline Sunday

Currently he has a group of 14 "leftovers" that he will only sell in a group. I can't buy them all, but there are several, 2-3 especially, that I would save if I could. Several gaited horse in the bunch, and I think of the high prices they would command out west, if only they had the chance.

Horses live a long time, and it is obvious that these horse had decent care before being run through the sale. The owner could open their mouth will little effort. They are used to being handled. Their only "sin" was getting older.

I don't know what to do. This is making me so depressed and I hate the feeling of helplessness, but I can't seem to stop myself from looking at the videos.

Two adorable yearling chocolate Rocky Mountain fillies, cute and sweet. Innocents. Headed to slaughter. $350 each. Deadline Sunday.

I feel the need to do something, but not sure what can be done.

Many people keep their horses a lifetime, so no room to add more. Where are all these horses coming from? This guy is making a fortune selling horses to slaughter that folks have abandoned to their fate. Riding horses that were faithful companions to their children, are sold at auction and stuck in a muddy pen with no food or water and crowded with horse they don't know.

Surely there is a better way...these horse deserve a happy retirement, or at least humane euthanasia. The stress and panic is so evident on their faces. Where have their owners gone too??? Where is their comfy stall? Why no food or water? What is happening.


It is depressing me...so many horses gone. Every week. Barrel horses. Dressage horses. Trail horses. Driving horses. They are all there, abandoned.
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Not saying some of the horses don't end up in Mexico but a lot of todays "kill buyers" are making way more money by playing on sympathies by putting that shipping date on their website. Then for every horse they sell to the public they have the funds to go buy about 3 or 4 more horses. A person is doing more good by going to the auction and out bidding the kill buyer.

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@AnitaAnne I'm so sorry. This is exactly how I would feel if I had been confronted by that. You just wish you had all the land and all the money and you could just take them all and give them a good home.

Exactly what you said, weanlings for sale: Why do people insist on breeding horses? Old timers: After a lifetime of service, this is the thanks you get?

For every one you buy, another one comes into the pipeline.

I know you can't unsee, but all I can say is you can just take care of the ones you can take care of, and make sure they have a good life. When I took my third horse, it really stretched me financially, I mean to the point where I've been dipping into savings, so there's no way I could take a fourth. I so wish that I could, just to save a life. Although he is probably one that would have ended up there eventually had I not taken him. I just have to give the best lives possible to the ones I have...

Having said all of that, if you are looking to buy a horse, maybe you COULD buy one of these guys and save their life. I would personally be afraid that the horse wouldn't be very rideable, though, if that's what you are looking for. I know people find gems all the time, and maybe you would get one, but maybe not.

Sorry, that was long-winded as usual. I just want to say I'm sorry, and I totally agree with you. To feel helpless in the face of so much suffering. To see innocent animals treated like that after humans decided they weren't worth it anymore. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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Not saying some of the horses don't end up in Mexico but a lot of todays "kill buyers" are making way more money by playing on sympathies by putting that shipping date on their website. Then for every horse they sell to the public they have the funds to go buy about 3 or 4 more horses. A person is doing more good by going to the auction and out bidding the kill buyer.
I think this is a common misperception. They send out the horses straight to slaughter. They are a business. He is most likely grossing 20k per month. 200-300 horses per month.

Buying from a kill pen doesn't give the business more money to buy more horses. They have plenty of money.

He has been getting a lot of people asking him to give these horses a chance, so he put them in one group, 14 head, mares and geldings, you have to buy them all. $9100 which is $650 each, and he states less money than he could get at the slaughterhouse. He also stated, yall wouldn't even know I even had these horses if I didn't post the video.


Its a real kill pen. They buy up horses that don't sell. He isn't out bidding people. No need to. See lots of Amish horses on the site, work horses. He has 4 Belgian's right now too.


Its not one of those places that keep horses and try to sell them for lots of money. He ships out Friday because Saturday he will go buy more from another auction. Ships out Monday too, maybe even daily. Keeping the horses cost money.
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The real issue is why are the people sending the horses to an auction house, with no minimum bid? A lot of these are nice, ridable horses.

Horses live a long time. Many of us on the HF keep their horses for a lifetime, or close to it.


Many others don't. I've known people that sell the horses every fall so they don't have to feed them over the winter. My farrier buys horses like this in fall, and sticks them in a big pasture. Come spring he sells them because as he says, spring comes and people get their refund check, that's the time to sell a horse.

Young people headed to collage, sell their horses. Horses that are "outgrown" get sold. Some sell because it is too much work.

Plus the number of riders seem to be going down.


There is some overbreeding too. Too many horses for the population that rides.
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@AnitaAnne I'm so sorry. This is exactly how I would feel if I had been confronted by that. You just wish you had all the land and all the money and you could just take them all and give them a good home.

Exactly what you said, weanlings for sale: Why do people insist on breeding horses? Old timers: After a lifetime of service, this is the thanks you get?

For every one you buy, another one comes into the pipeline.

I know you can't unsee, but all I can say is you can just take care of the ones you can take care of, and make sure they have a good life. When I took my third horse, it really stretched me financially, I mean to the point where I've been dipping into savings, so there's no way I could take a fourth. I so wish that I could, just to save a life. Although he is probably one that would have ended up there eventually had I not taken him. I just have to give the best lives possible to the ones I have...

Having said all of that, if you are looking to buy a horse, maybe you COULD buy one of these guys and save their life. I would personally be afraid that the horse wouldn't be very rideable, though, if that's what you are looking for. I know people find gems all the time, and maybe you would get one, but maybe not.

Sorry, that was long-winded as usual. I just want to say I'm sorry, and I totally agree with you. To feel helpless in the face of so much suffering. To see innocent animals treated like that after humans decided they weren't worth it anymore. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
I can't afford them either, thus the helplessness I feel. I have three, one has been retired for 6 years. Should I have euthanized her instead? To make room for another needy horse?

She is a sweet girl, and absolutely easy to take care of. Neat in her stall, has never needed the vet. Keeps her blankets intact. Has arthritis. I love her dearly. She will never be sold.


I can only help some, and that ones I have are the ones that will live out their lives in the best environment I can provide.
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AnitaAnne, I'm not going to tell you not to buy from one of those guys but have your eyes WIDE open and be ready to deal with a bunch of stuff they don't show. The vast majority of those "Deadline XXXXXX" horses will not be sent to Mexico, those KBs know they'll make more by holding people emotionally hostage with that threat than just by selling them. They have ALL been passed through some nasty conditions, exposed to Gawd only knows what, so yeah, you can buy them cheap but that's only the start. Once you buy the horse, you or someone you contract with, needs to go pick them up (and they want them gone yesterday or they charge outrageous daily board) and then they need to go into a strict USDA type Quarantine for at least 60 days. If they aren't coughing, slinging snot and dripping pus when picked up, give 'em 3-7 days and they will be so have about $750-1000 for a vet bill.

There are a lot of "KB Angels" groups out there, they'll do fund raisers to get those horses bought and help with transport. They will not help pay for vet, QT or training when you figure out you bought a pig in a poke and it's way more than you want/need to/can handle. I've gone and picked up horses at those places, most are hell on earth for the horses, and they to a man have the horses all grouped together, sick & well, feeding off the same round bales (if they feed them), drinking from the same water. If they're somewhat decent, they'll have yard help to help you catch and load your horse, or a squeeze type chute so that you can back your trailer up to it and run the horse in, if you can't catch the horse.

The horse you see in the pic may or may not be drugged for the handling and riding portion. The horse may or may not be doped on pain killer right up to their eyeballs to show them as "sound". The horse you see in the pic, may or may not be the horse you get if you live at some distance and can't go yourself to verify that the horse they load is the horse you bought. The horse you see in the pic may or may not be in the condition you see in the pic (if they look in good flesh), most will be underweight if not downright emaciated. Please notice I'm not saying that these horses are no good, I wouldn't be so presumptuous. I'm just saying be VERY careful in your dealings with these kind of people, they will swindle you so quick your head will spin.

If you live close enough to go to the yard yourself, look around and see how many horses have several (a lot 2, some will have 3 or 4) of the USDA/APHIS Auction Tags on them. Those horses have been shipped around, bought at one auction by the KB, didn't get "rescued" and so were sent through another auction after awhile, in hopes a new group in a new location will step up and pay the ransom. The horses can go through several auctions, be bought by different KBs and put through the "rescue groups" that have aligned with the KBs.

While I agree with you that there's a special level in Hades for owners who knowingly drop off pregnant mares and/or young stock, it's not illegal for the owners to drop them at auction for sale. There are regulations that state which animals can be shipped to slaughter and which ones are considered "fragile" and unfit to ship. The youngsters mostly fit that criteria.
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For what its worth, I didn't start this thread to get into a big heavy debate r/t slaughterhouses.

I started this thread because I am questioning myself, Am I doing enough? Could I do more? What can I do?

Should I buy those two little Rocky Mountain fillies? Or just one of them? Do I have the time and energy to give those little fillies a good start in life?


What can I do...that is the issue.
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This is way more important than the fate of Mustangs that are at least being cared for. But that's just me. So far there doesn't seem to be the public interest to get previous bills passed.


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At least if you bought the fillies, you wouldn't have to deal with someone else's training mistakes. As opposed to the older horses, who probably have years of bad experiences behind them, and (I would guess) would have a harder time trusting someone new. and might have many bad habits they had picked up along the way.

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