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post #11 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 08:13 AM Thread Starter
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All true @Dreamcatcher Arabians all true. Deplorable conditions. Going to get sick is a given. No food for most of them, no water either.

The ones in stalls get some hay and water. Those are the ones they try to sell as usable. They still have deadlines. Prices are cheap on this site. Definitely just selling at meat prices.

There are two pregnant Arab mares, two very poor condition 3yr old Paso Fino mares, and the two RM yearling fillies. He addresses this issue, states they will all ship out.


A health nightmare for any horse going thru a kill pen.

This guy has a buddy that has a "boarding barn" where you can send the horses until they are picked up. They have individual stalls made out of panels. Under a roof. Have a whole list of services available, and strongly recommend a health exam when the horses arrive.

I have one pasture, and no way could I quarantine any new horses coming in. Thus my frustration and despair
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I have one pasture, and no way could I quarantine any new horses coming in. Thus my frustration and despair
Could you buy some panels and make a round pen? It wouldn't be great, but it would surely be better than the conditions they are currently in.

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I would need a place to put the horse(s) once home. There is a vet that boards horses so maybe they could stay there for a week...
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Could you buy some panels and make a round pen? It wouldn't be great, but it would surely be better than the conditions they are currently in.
I have a large stall empty, maybe could run some electric fencing off of it to make a little pen. They should all stay away from the electric fencing.
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This is way more important than the fate of Mustangs that are at least being cared for. But that's just me. So far there doesn't seem to be the public interest to get previous bills passed.


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Many of those draft horses are being bred for the slaughter market. They gain weight easily on grass and hay, and are heavy weight, so sell for more. The ones going to Japan are kept free of drugs, and the are sold at very high cost.

The others, going thru kill pens, are not free of drugs. Two in this group have an eye missing. These horses have been doctored and handled. It is obvious watching them on the videos. They stand quietly, trusting the human waving the flag at them. They do not understand he wants them to move away from the flag (at least it is not a cattle prod). They are broke horses.

Sending these old horses to the slaughterhouse means they are not going to be drug free. I personally think Europeans buying the horse meat from overseas are foolish to be consuming these horses. Their countries are much more regulated. If they saw the conditions these horses are in, plus most of them obviously sick...I would think they would refuse the meat.
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post #16 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 09:19 AM
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He also stated, yall wouldn't even know I even had these horses if I didn't post the video.
He ships out Friday because Saturday he will go buy more from another auction. Ships out Monday too, maybe even daily. Keeping the horses cost money.
KBs are not dumb - they (or their associated "angel" groups) post those pictures and videos online because they know they can get more money by emotional blackmail than from the slaughterhouse. And even better if the KB gets his money, then his buddy the hauler and "quarantine facility" gets some too!

KBs are indeed shipping horses somewhere, but the ones you see plastered online are most likely going down the road to the next auction in the hopes that set of local rescue groups will have more success. I have seen this first hand locally with horses going through New Holland. Moore's will make a point to pick up anything resembling an arab or a morgan or anything a special color, even if they are bidding against others. Why? Because those are the horses with the most active online angel groups and/or the flashy colors sell better. The horses go on their website and if they aren't bailed fast enough, they are then sent down the road to was-Camelot-now-Cranbury for another try.

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What can I do...that is the issue.
The best thing you can do is stop looking at those websites. If you decide you want another horse and want to save one, go to whatever auction is closest to you and bid directly.

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I would need a place to put the horse(s) once home. There is a vet that boards horses so maybe they could stay there for a week...
A week isn't enough. You need at least 60 days, but 90 is better. A horse coming off a KB lot will be sick and you sure don't need it making the rest of your herd sick too.
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@AnitaAnne , I know how frustrating it is to see those horses. I have a few farms within a very close radius of where I live that buy/sell meat horses - and the horse processing plant is just South of the city I work in.

I have gone to the local auction once (to buy tack); I left before the horses went through, but I did take a quick look at what horses were available. It was a complete mixed bag - of riding horses and stock that were completely untouched.

The horse market is a tough one - I know of a few people who tried to sell horses privately and couldn't. And ended up having to take their horse to auction. I think in most cases if they put a reserve bid on them they ended up going to good homes. Not always the case though.

If bills are passed to make it illegal to ship live horses from the States to Canada or Mexcio for slaughter, then what happens to all the unwanted horses?

I am really against the live shipment of horses to Japan - those horses ship out from our local airport. It's gross how many they cram into a crate - and these horses (for the most part) are bred specifically for this.

I don't really blame the owners - sometimes someone is in a situation that they must sell their horses. I DO blame the uneducated owners who decide owning a horse would be cool but don't know a **** thing about it. I feel the same way about people who buy a puppy and don't realize how much work it is.

But i ultimately blame the over-breeding of horses (whether backyard breeders, race horses, etc). The market is so saturated and they have to come from somewhere.
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I think many of us feel the same way as you @AnitaAnne I have viewed the Sexton's website many times and even considered the 12 hour trip there to rescue some horse they have that caught my eye. The problem is that a horse catches my eye every week! Do some ship to slaughter - Yep - I bet they do. Do others just get shipped to another sale barn - yep I bet that happens too. I have to say that for a KB his horse prices are very reasonable. Most horses selling way under $1000 where there are others that are asking $1500 and up for the horses they have.

The horse industry is glutted - whether people believe it or not. And the biggest issue I see is lack of training. A well trained horse is usually worth something BUT a lot of areas have had very extreme weather the last couple of years. hay has been at premium prices and homes that used to feed 5 or 6 horses can only afford to feed 2 or 3 so they sell the one they think will get a good home. I have purchased a few horses out of loose pens (kill pens) and have purchased a few more horses from local auctions. some horses do get to good homes. What I find startling is that when looking at horse web sites with horses for sale that some horse people still ask $3000 - $4000 for a gaited trail horse when as you mentioned this one in TN always has gaited horses.

Take heart - you just purchased a horse - that had known issues (rain rot) and potentially saved her from a horrible fate. Until people wake up and breed responsibly there will always be a slaughter pipeline
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For what its worth, I didn't start this thread to get into a big heavy debate r/t slaughterhouses.

I started this thread because I am questioning myself, Am I doing enough? Could I do more? What can I do?

Should I buy those two little Rocky Mountain fillies? Or just one of them? Do I have the time and energy to give those little fillies a good start in life?


What can I do...that is the issue.
I feel your pain.

I donít know that anyone who loves horses couldnít feel sorrow and frustration when they look at these sites.

I donít think it helps that the cost of euthanasia is really expensive and that leaves people with horses that, for some reason, they canít keep any more, resort to selling them to a dealer.
Dealers will hang on to good ones for a while then put them through an auction if they donít sell. The youngsters and the Ďno hopersí tend to go straight to auction.

You can only do what you can do. You canít save them all.

Donate to a genuine horse rescue when youíve got spare cash maybe?

I can only give you the same advice that Iíve had to give myself - stop looking at those sites.
Iíve had to do the same with dog rescue sites.

Just winging it is not a plan
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So, I come back from the barn after cleaning stalls, unloading feed and treating Lacy. She is such a sweet girl again. Followed me to the gate today.

While there, I walked the area I could section off for those two fillies. Got a figure in my head of fence cost to put up, and a place to put a round bale for them (under cover). Could have everything set up in a week. They would have their own water tub, and a 12x12 stall to share.

Got online to look up the guy's number and saw all these posts...

In my head, I know y'all are right, but in my heart I think these girls deserve a chance...

I do not want to risk my existing horses, no. I thought a week at the vet, with shots and worming, etc would be sufficient. My horses (don't know about Lacy) are vaccinated against strangles, which I would think is the most likely risk. That should show up in a week, shouldn't it?

What else could they potentially be carrying? I thought being yearlings, they are at a high risk of picking up stuff, and of course these KP make no effort to protect the horses from anything contagious.


Chivas is immunocompromised, and Lacy also r/t to her current issue with rain rot is also at higher risk.


I would have to make a decision today, to set everything up.


I realize the best thing I can do is quit looking at that site, but I can't seem to stop
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