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post #31 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 12:48 PM
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I try and stay away from FB feeds on the kill pen horses. Every now and then, a friend will share, or someone in the AERC group will post some Arabs and I just about lose it. 2 horses is my absolute limit, I could do 3 only because one of my closest friends had had a stroke and ended up in nursing care so we parked her lame gelding down in self care for me to feed and clean, and she had enough finances to be able to pay his bills, and he colicked right at the end. I have a hard enough time following some rescue pages I support.

I just have to keep reminding myself that I canít help every horse and that the most important horse I can help is my elderly DSLD mare. We almost put her down in 2018, but she rallied really well, sheís in a Davis study on DSLD so they tried some meds on her to see what might happen and sheís doing much better now. Sheís gained weight this year, still has plenty of vim and vigor even if sheís fully retired and kicks up her heels after a good roll in the round pen. Weíre letting her choose her time because sheís not showing any desire to shuffle off this mortal coil just yet. Itís hard to look at other horses and not want to help them personally, but I know I canít, not if Iím committed to her.

After itís time to finally let her go though, Iím hoping I can contribute a little more towards rescue efforts for an Arab rescue I like a lot, and hopefully help intercept a horse before they go to the auction or something.
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post #32 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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went to an auction with a friend once. my goal was to talk him out of any horse he wanted to bid on

while there heard 2 ladies talking one was helping her friend and said she's bought some at auction 1 out of 5 turn out to be something decent. most of the "riding" horses were going for 1,000 that means spending 5K on the purchase to get a "decent" horse plus time, vet, feed, and farrier

we only saw 2 in the kill pen come through the ring before we got the heck out of there but at least those 2 you wouldn't even dream of buying to try and rehab
Auctions are tough places to buy horses. Have to be very experienced, and know the regulars. I am not that person. I find auctions to be very tough to deal with.

What I was looking at was a pair of yearlings. Something with a future.
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post #33 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 03:03 PM
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We know a lady who lives near us that buys horses from the kill pens as a hobby. She had bred appaloosas all her life, really knows conformation, and has a keen instinct for a good horse. She checks the sites regularly and has them shipped to her from LA. The folks there know her, and sometimes contact her if they have an appropriate horse.

After she gets them, she gets them riding nicely and then sells them to good homes. She has gotten so well-known around here that people now contact her if they are needing a good horse.

@4horses got a dandy foxtrotter mare from this lady. She doesn't make any money from her hobby, but it gives her a lot of pleasure . . . and people who get her horses are happy too.
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We know a lady who lives near us that buys horses from the kill pens as a hobby. She had bred appaloosas all her life, really knows conformation, and has a keen instinct for a good horse. She checks the sites regularly and has them shipped to her from LA. The folks there know her, and sometimes contact her if they have an appropriate horse.

After she gets them, she gets them riding nicely and then sells them to good homes. She has gotten so well-known around here that people now contact her if they are needing a good horse.

@4horses got a dandy foxtrotter mare from this lady. She doesn't make any money from her hobby, but it gives her a lot of pleasure . . . and people who get her horses are happy too.
Does she want a couple of yearling RM fillies? I will ship them to her...
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After doing some number crunching and reading all the advice, I think I will have to pass on those cute little fillies. I just can't make it work with quarantine on two horses. Would like them to stay together, as they are so cute like that.

Breaks my heart though.

Going to try to stay away from that site. Apparently KP horses only seem like a good bargin. Once all the expenses' are added up, they come with a hefty price tag.

Dang it. I really liked those two fillies
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post #36 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 04:10 PM
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After doing some number crunching and reading all the advice, I think I will have to pass on those cute little fillies. I just can't make it work with quarantine on two horses. Would like them to stay together, as they are so cute like that.

Breaks my heart though.

Going to try to stay away from that site. Apparently KP horses only seem like a good bargin. Once all the expenses' are added up, they come with a hefty price tag.

Dang it. I really liked those two fillies
Last time I did a quarantine for 2 horses that came from a KP, by the time all was said and done the lady who bought them could have bought a couple of National Champions, broke to ride, you name it, for the money she spent on 2 horses that had no papers, no identity and no training. She eventually gave away one of the horses who was more than she could handle. She's still got one but can't ride him or anything.

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post #37 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 04:12 PM
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My wife lobbies for horse rescue groups. You can search "horse rescue near me", she did that a few years ago and there is one three miles away. We're in a rural area with lots of horses around.
As with anything there are good and bad people, the bad ones are only concerned with financial profit.
Every day we get mail now from lobby groups. Most simply ask for a petition signature. Many will send a stamped envelope. She just now said one of the most meaningful things you can do is after doing research (internet, books, talking to people, etc.) is to write your Congress person. An actual letter means more than email. Signatures really help.
Like everything it's supply and demand. As long as there's a "market" (no pun intended) for horse meat there is money to be made. Passing legislation to make it illegal raising, buying, selling horses for meat, imposing hefty fines and imprisonment for doing so is key.
Most people eat meat. If they had to kill that animal themselves I guarantee there would be a lot more vegetarians.


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post #38 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 05:18 PM
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If bills are passed to make it illegal to ship live horses from the States to Canada or Mexcio for slaughter, then what happens to all the unwanted horses?

Same thing that happens to unwanted cats and dogs. Euthanization. Then to a land fill or a zoo. Not free but not real expensive either.


https://equimed.com/news/general/wha...ing-of-a-horse
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post #39 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 06:57 PM
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When I lived in CA, I worked with an exotic feline breeding compound. They were networked with most US zoos and kept track of endangered cats' genetics to ensure diversity in the gene pool. Zoos sent them cats to be bred with other zoos cats. They would receive donation offers of horses as food for the cats. To ensure the meat is safe for the felines the horse has to be alive and drug free for 45 days.

I would free board, feed and care for these horses for their last 45 days. Some, I would tell them need euthanasia as it would be inhumane to keep them drug free. They listened to me. Some were really nice horses. It was hard to take a few of them to their butcher because they were sweet and trusting, but they weren't mine and the cats needed to eat. At least they got good treatment from me and a humane death, and served a worthwhile purpose.

I try not to look at KP sites because I see what comes from them. A friend here is a rescue addict. Problem is she doesn't have the eye to get good horses, and doesn't have the time or skill to train up the good ones she does get. She has 35 head on 10 acres. There are 2 of those I may take this Spring to train and find homes for. She brought 3 in last year after they'd spent 6 weeks at a quarantine facility - and ended up with 14 horses having to be treated for strangles. She lost a nice little yearling to rescue 2 ugly, mean tempered pregnant old unhandled mares.

I bought Tango from a rescue when he was 3. He was a captured feral horse with minimal handling. He's become a good horse because I know what I'm doing. If the rescue hadn't taken him, he would've been culled or run through auction because ferals aren't protected like mustangs.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this. I don't like the treatment I see from KBs, and I know they play the auction shell game to make a profit. I also don't like that we've closed down US Equine slaughterhouses since they were at least regulated by the FDA and provided more humane death. Packing horses tight into a truck for 2 days or more on the road to God's know what.... It's a complicated and emotional issue and I just don't know the answers...

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post #40 of 56 Old 02-28-2020, 07:03 PM
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This is so heart breaking. For once I am happy I live in a country that doesnít have too many horses.

@AnitaAnne - it will be easier to stay away from that site if you block it on your router. I had to do that for myself with dog rescue sites and it worked. I now only rescue dogs I personally come across (and that is way too much but I couldnít live with myself if I just walked by a dog in need). I wish there was a solution for the overbreeding issue.
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