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post #1 of 42 Old 09-07-2019, 07:20 PM Thread Starter
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Laying a horse down

I have a young horse that was born on our property. I decided to send him to our granddaughters trainer to work with him. Today I found both knees are swollen, warm to touch and sores from the trainer apparently trying to lay him down. Last week she had a dentist out to pull his wolf teeth and lightly sedated him. He was hobbled and apparently struck out at her before I got there. The dentist suggested I get the vet to sedate him( which we have always done with our other young horses).
The trainer is new at laying down horses and hasn’t been trained with this technique that I’m aware of. I didn’t even know this was happening. I’m really upset and I can say ready to move my horse from the barn. I wasn’t called about the injuries either. That all being said, my question is this. Am I being unreasonable? Should the technique cause such injuries to the knees? Any thoughts are appreciated.
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post #2 of 42 Old 09-07-2019, 07:45 PM
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Yiiiiiiiiiiiikes yeah I would be getting my horse out of there.

Anyone who thinks it's necessary to training to lay a horse down -- especially in such a way that would hurt the horse's knees -- is probably fixated on dominating the horse and flooding them rather than working with the horse. It's old school in a BAD bad bad way. Does it result in a "broke" horse? Yes, in more ways than one. Flooding is an abusive form of training where the horse is taught to shut down and give up. It leaves a lot of holes in their training that absolutely show up later.
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post #3 of 42 Old 09-07-2019, 08:29 PM
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There are different methods and reasons to lay a horse down and it isn't to confused with throwing a horse.
Either way whether you agree with the method or reason or not, I wouldn't trust someone inexperienced and unsupervised to do so.
I'd pull the horse and find someone else to train your horse before you have a wreck on your hands.

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post #4 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 12:43 AM
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I agree with the above.
I have started hundreds of horses and been interested in the Hybrid Horseman method of laying a horse down but, Paul, was working in the Far East and had many horses to deal with and had perfected the method which helped him deal with more horses than most.

If a horse is started correctly then there is no need to lay a horse down.
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post #5 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 01:11 AM
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Paul, aka Endopink, works with crazy race horses that are trying to kill him, so he lays them down. Us, with normal horses, especially young ones in training, have no need to lay a horse down. Get your horse away from that place.

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post #6 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 01:33 AM
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I'd get your horse and your granddaughter out of there.

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post #7 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 04:16 AM
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Another thing, laying a horse down should always be done where there is a good surface and soft landing.

No ropes or roughness need to be involved.

This man is a great Horseman and a brilliant rider

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post #8 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 03:43 PM
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In one of Paul's videos, he wants to lay a horse down but the surface is not good so he doesn't. He did something else, the guy is agile and fearless!
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post #9 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 09:27 PM
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I personally do not like the whole "laying a horse down" as it causes way more problems than it "fixes". It is one of the worst quick fixes to bully a horse into submission and obedience. Sure, it gives you a consistent horse but one who is shut down and robotic, which, once the "force" is removed, well, then the real problems begin. Every single hole in that horse's education comes glaring once the "learned helplessness" is removed. I work with OTTBs and OTSTBs plus gaited horses and I have never laid one down, even the "crazies".

It takes way more time to build a horse a foundation rather than just bully the horse into submission, and the "30 Day Cowboy" can't take the time to get you a willing partner who can think. Instead, you get a 30 day horse who was forced with into compliance, I do not trust horses trained in this manner as they will explode on you at some point.

Nope, remove your horse before even more damage is done, both physically and mentally.
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post #10 of 42 Old 09-08-2019, 10:54 PM
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That is a technique i would never ever use. I've trained many many horses, and i can not imagine a situation where i would need a technique like that.

You can teach them to bow and lay down, but that is often a separate training technique involved in trick training.

Remove your horse immediately!
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