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post #61 of 81 Old 05-15-2017, 01:14 AM
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Hee. I actually have the same problem sort of with Dragon. He's a jumper but only jumps out if I take both of the other horses with me and he's left alone.

I have electrified ropes and he'll play with them like he thinks they are a guitar string. I've gone to turn on the juice, waiting for him to not be touching it, and as soon as I turn it on he leaves. He somehow seems to be able to sense that it's on. He is such a pest and I really like him for that.
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Ah I get ya. Now equine reccurent uveitis- this is different than CSNB correct? As it's found in quarter horses as well as Appaloosas? I doubt he has a vision problem but I want to keep my mind open.[/QUOTE]

Yes, uveitis is also called moon blindness, and is progressive, getting worse with every attack. Because many Appaloosas have lack of pigmentation around eyes, they have a relatively high incident of Uveitis,although nay breed can get it

CSNB, on the other hand is directly genetic, there at birth, and 'stationary;so does not get worse with time. Horses affected with CSNB simply lack some rods, I believe, but need to look that fact up, so taht they can't see in dim light, but they see normally in day light
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Hee. I actually have the same problem sort of with Dragon. He's a jumper but only jumps out if I take both of the other horses with me and he's left alone.

I have electrified ropes and he'll play with them like he thinks they are a guitar string. I've gone to turn on the juice, waiting for him to not be touching it, and as soon as I turn it on he leaves. He somehow seems to be able to sense that it's on. He is such a pest and I really like him for that.
Yes, horses do learn when a fence is on, and having it not on at times, will have horses testing it, not respecting it as much, and then also running through it, even when it is on, as the 'guessed wrong'
If you use electric fencing you really diminish it's effectiveness by not having it on all the time, so that it gives 'the same answer' each time
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Dragon is the only horse that seems to know when it's on. There is one other young colt who used to test it for a while and would get shocked every time. He's is no longer around the fence.

It has been turned off for 2 years and has kept the other two horses and do in during that time. Works fine turned off. Dragon doesn't even try to get out. He just likes to pull on the ropes with his mouth and watch them go sproinnng like a guitar string. They have all three been panicked by what ever in the yard/pen and wanted out but none tried running through the fence.

It is claimed that every ranch should have at least on electric fence somewhere that the cattle are exposed to because it causes them to respect all fences more.

Electric fence absolutely does not need to be on all the time to be effective. Dragon is a very unusual horse.
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SO.

ALL horses are inside indefinitely until we figure out exactly WHAT is going on. Left Trouble in last night and today, and got a call on my way home from work that the rest of the herd was out and about a mile down the road. Went down, called them back, re checked the fence, again, NOTHING. No breaks, no sags, no cold spots, no nothing. SOMETHING is going on. I don't know if it's some little punk opening the gate when no ones home/sleeping or what, but if that is what's going on there will be hell to pay. We're adding a top line to the fence and a lower one as well. We're also reenforcing the gates to be lockable, and I'm setting up a trail camera hidden at the main gate.

This has to stop. Trouble is obviously NOT the reason they got out, which is what I first thought. He will be going out supervised today, since I don't like to leave him in his stall for long periods of time, but the others will have to deal with it until we figure out what in the world is going on.
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Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but you said there's one, chest high strand of wire? Can't they just go under that? Maybe I'm not getting the setup.
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Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but you said there's one, chest high strand of wire? Can't they just go under that? Maybe I'm not getting the setup.
It's at a height that discourages them from going under AND over, if you can understand that. After years of having single strand fencing, we've pretty much perfected the height needed. Our horses also aren't keen on going over the wire. If they hear it snap they stay at least ten yard away from it.
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I think she also mentioned the top wire was nose height. I would go wither height at least (mine are all 5 feet tall and my horses are only 14.2/14.3). And at least three wires, all hot.

Whatta did just say that they added a wire above and below it though, which should help. I sure hope it's not someone turning them loose.

Harley used to get out of his paddock last summer, when he was boarded at the neighbors. But their fences were not tall enough for him. He's a jumper! Maybe Trouble should be a jumper, LOL. I have NEVER had them escape since I brought them back home. Well, except the time that I left the gate open. Duh.

Let us know what you find out with those trail cams!
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It's at a height that discourages them from going under AND over, if you can understand that. After years of having single strand fencing, we've pretty much perfected the height needed. Our horses also aren't keen on going over the wire. If they hear it snap they stay at least ten yard away from it.
Sorry, but the escaping horses are contradicting that! Unless of course someone is letting them out... Harley is perfectly capable (and smart enough) to roll under a single strand like that. We were warned, which is why I have 3 strands. Clever horses can figure that out. It would be highly unlikely for them all to imitate Trouble to get out, however!
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Sorry, but the escaping horses are contradicting that! Unless of course someone is letting them out... Harley is perfectly capable (and smart enough) to roll under a single strand like that. We were warned, which is why I have 3 strands. Clever horses can figure that out. It would be highly unlikely for them all to imitate Trouble to get out, however!
I completely understand that not all horses are capable of being contained by a single strand. But what gets me is all four of these horses were on the same property, within the same fenceline, inside the same strand of single wire for fifteen plus years. One mare has been here for nearly twenty years in the same pasture, same wire, same perimeter. The only issues we've had were with animals chasing them through the wire. Even when the wire was down, they stay in. Trouble however, is new. He doesn't know our "fence etiquette" and IS a fence jumper- which the others are absolutely not. It's so incredibly unlikely that he just "taught" all the others to jump the fence in a night (including gimpy retiree and little pony) that I can't possibly see that happening.
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