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post #1 of 28 Old 03-06-2013, 11:57 PM Thread Starter
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Mudpie's new stall!! *update*

After over a month of working to get Mudpie in to the barn, it finally happened! Though the vet insists that it's okay for a horse with an injured suspensory to be in a 24 x 30 outdoor stall, I disagree. I've talked to at least three people who have had horses with injured suspensories who have had their horses recover, and every one of them was appalled at my vet's assertion. Most of them kept their horses in small, indoor, 12 x 12 stalls and started handwalking after two or three months. I'm really, really hoping that he hasn't done irreparable damage while in the larger stall, and I'm working really hard to get the money to buy a poultice. I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to "start over" now, and just act as if this is his first month after being injured. Would treating it as such (keeping him in his stall 24/7, limiting movement, etc.) make a difference?

I don't have a lot of confidence in this vet, despite his impressive credentials that everyone gets excited about, but my mother and stepfather are currently paying for vet care, and they refuse to try another vet, so this vet will have to suffice. :\

The vet says that wrapping "isn't going to do a lot," and that it will "help me more than it will help him," but is that true? Have any of you had experience with suspensory tears? SHOULD I be wrapping it? (I have experience applying standing bandages and can do so properly and confidently)

Your opinions/experience would be much appreciated, so that I may make a decision with more assorted input.

My persistence paid off, and tonight we moved all of the mats from the outdoor stall to this one! Really excited to have finally been able to make this change!
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After over a month of working to get Mudpie in to the barn, it finally happened! Though the vet insists that it's okay for a horse with an injured suspensory to be in a 24 x 30 outdoor stall, I disagree. I've talked to at least three people who have had horses with injured suspensories who have had their horses recover, and every one of them was appalled at my vet's assertion. Most of them kept their horses in small, indoor, 12 x 12 stalls and started handwalking after two or three months. I'm really, really hoping that he hasn't done irreparable damage while in the larger stall, and I'm working really hard to get the money to buy a poultice. I'm thinking that it might be a good idea to "start over" now, and just act as if this is his first month after being injured. Would treating it as such (keeping him in his stall 24/7, limiting movement, etc.) make a difference?

I don't have a lot of confidence in this vet, despite his impressive credentials that everyone gets excited about, but my mother and stepfather are currently paying for vet care, and they refuse to try another vet, so this vet will have to suffice. :\

The vet says that wrapping "isn't going to do a lot," and that it will "help me more than it will help him," but is that true? Have any of you had experience with suspensory tears? SHOULD I be wrapping it? (I have experience applying standing bandages and can do so properly and confidently)

Your opinions/experience would be much appreciated, so that I may make a decision with more assorted input.

My persistence paid off, and tonight we moved all of the mats from the outdoor stall to this one! Really excited to have finally been able to make this change!
I'm not sure what you mean by suspensory tear? We had a 3yr. old gelding a couple years ago deglove his hind leg right to the bone. We don't have indoor stalls, the vet said to keep him in the corral (which is attached to the pasture) for a few days, see how he's feeling. Within a few days he was back in the pasture through the day with the other horses and put in the corral at night. As the flesh grew I was told to leave the bandage off during the day so it can get some air on the warmer days and put a fresh one on at night which we did.....

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I'm not sure what you mean by suspensory tear? We had a 3yr. old gelding a couple years ago deglove his hind leg right to the bone. We don't have indoor stalls, the vet said to keep him in the corral (which is attached to the pasture) for a few days, see how he's feeling. Within a few days he was back in the pasture through the day with the other horses and put in the corral at night. As the flesh grew I was told to leave the bandage off during the day so it can get some air on the warmer days and put a fresh one on at night which we did.....
There is a tear in his suspensory ligament. It can be compared to bowing a tendon, but it's the suspensory ligament that's "bowed," for lack of a better term.



It's not a "flesh wound," per say.



Also, for those of you who did not know, he was treated with ACP (Autologous Conditioned Plasma).
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Lacey partially tore/seriously strained her suspensory in late August/early September and I didn't stall her at all (other than her usual in-at-night-ness).
She kept herself low-key, and though it's taken quite a while (as is usual with these sorts of injuries, as you know), she's currently 100% sound. I even even hopped on for a walk around the pasture twice in the last month!

A few people were appalled that I was letting her out, on uneven ground no less! But she's healed just fine.

I think it really probably depends on the horse. My vet said that as long as Lacey kept herself low key and didn't re-injure herself through playing up too much, she was not worried about L's recovery outside of a stall.
The vet's words were "as long as she moves around enough to 'irritate' the injury into healing strongly, while staying still enough to let it heal". She also did not advocate wrapping it beyond wrapping it with an ice pack twice daily+icing it for 15 minutes. She didn't tell me not to wrap it but she didn't tell me TO wrap it.

At the same time, Lacey did not injure herself as badly as Mudpie did and, at 28, we were not hoping for her to recover as well as she has.


That "new" stall does look lovely! Mudpie is a lucky duck!
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I will search tomorrow, too late now, brain is already in lala land....I remember latest research shows tendon/ligament injuries heal better and faster with movement after the initial week of intense treatment.
My personal gut feeling...the larger outside stall would be my preference for my horse.
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Lacey partially tore/seriously strained her suspensory in late August/early September and I didn't stall her at all (other than her usual in-at-night-ness).
She kept herself low-key, and though it's taken quite a while (as is usual with these sorts of injuries, as you know), she's currently 100% sound. I even even hopped on for a walk around the pasture twice in the last month!

A few people were appalled that I was letting her out, on uneven ground no less! But she's healed just fine.

I think it really probably depends on the horse. My vet said that as long as Lacey kept herself low key and didn't re-injure herself through playing up too much, she was not worried about L's recovery outside of a stall.
The vet's words were "as long as she moves around enough to 'irritate' the injury into healing strongly, while staying still enough to let it heal". She also did not advocate wrapping it beyond wrapping it with an ice pack twice daily+icing it for 15 minutes. She didn't tell me not to wrap it but she didn't tell me TO wrap it.

At the same time, Lacey did not injure herself as badly as Mudpie did and, at 28, we were not hoping for her to recover as well as she has.


That "new" stall does look lovely! Mudpie is a lucky duck!
That's good to know! :) Mudpie gets a lot of pent up energy, and he was occasionally trotting about when he got excited, which is NOT good. The thing with suspensories is that the horse will feel okay and not be lame, and then they'll bounce around and injure it more. That prospect is TERRIFYING for me, especially knowing my crazy boy! This stall is much smaller, and even though it has an outdoor bit, I think it will limit his movement significantly, and it's a major improvement!

I'm hoping for a full, strong recovery, so that we can return to what we were doing. Even if we can never do a lot of jumping, I'd really love to pursue dressage! My trainer believes that he could potentially do at least second level dressage, which I think sounds like as good of a goal as doing training level eventing, if that's no longer an option. She has her USDF Bronze Medal and is going to try to get her USDF Silver Medal this year if possible. :)

Mudpie is only six or seven this year, so he's got a long, hopefully successful career ahead of him, as long as we pull out of this okay!!

And, yes, he is spoiled. We pulled all of those mats from the other side of the property and GOOD GRACIOUS they are HEAVY!! ;)
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I will search tomorrow, too late now, brain is already in lala land....I remember latest research shows tendon/ligament injuries heal better and faster with movement after the initial week of intense treatment.
My personal gut feeling...the larger outside stall would be my preference for my horse.
Sorry
Let me know what you find! Thanks!

I kinda hope so! ;) After the injection, for the first week he was sore and didn't move around a lot, and then he was feeling better for half a week until we pulled his shoes and then he could hardly walk for another week! So there was mucho limited movement at that time! ;) And then he sort of started getting more and more rambunctious! Bad Mudpie!

I was thinking of calling Pioneer, or another vet, and just asking for opinions, but I know that they can't know much without actually seeing the ultrasounds/horse themselves, so I don't want to pester them. :\

Anyways, LOOK AT THAT BELLY! He's lost a teensy bit of weight on his diet already, and hopefully he'll keep dropping. ;) He's also starting to loose the muscle over his topline. :( Pffff I guess we'll have to get that back, too!

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Pffft. Forgot to attach the photo to that last post.

I swear, I have the intellectual ability of a potato.

Also. Mudpie bobs for apples.

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Of course he's losing muscle, he's not moving. I saw the cresty neck....be careful, since he was ouchy without shoes. Last thing you need is a bout of laminitis, right?
What is he eating currently?
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Never mind, your other thread just popped up...off to refreshing my memory
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