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post #11 of 28 Old 03-07-2013, 01:32 AM Thread Starter
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Of course he's losing muscle, he's not moving. I saw the cresty neck....be careful, since he was ouchy without shoes. Last thing you need is a bout of laminitis, right?
What is he eating currently?
That is DEFINITELY on my mind! He's always been really lame without shoes, even when he was initially emaciated and malnourished, so we're going to go ahead and tentatively say that that's probably not a laminae thing! xD

Mudpie's diet is currently:

A.M.
6 lbs orchard grass
2.5 lbs timothy hay pellets
15 mL Rest Easy Gold
1 scoop Farrier's Formula Double Strength
1 scoop SmartFlex I Maintenance

P.M.
6 lbs orchard grass
2.5 lbs timothy hay pellets
15 mL Rest Easy Gold
1 scoop SmartOmega 3
1 scoop U-Gard

Salt source
Himalayan salt lick (free choice)
Red mineral block (free choice)

See any red flags in there? :)

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I pray that Mudpie makes a complete recovery
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Not really, first look anyways, but he could stand to lose weight. Did I mention slowfeeder net?
Since he's not getting grain, all you can cut is roughage. But he's on ulcer guard, so he needs to munch constantly. The slowfeeder would help a lot with both, keep him munching, but less overall. You could then reduce the timothy pellets, have him eat less calories but still eating all the time.
If he has trouble with his metabolism, even the hay could be too sugary for him. Instead of 5lbs timothy pellets give him 2 lbs alfalfa pellets or even less....lowers overall NSC and calories(it's much less)
I'd even go so far as putting him on Remission or Quiessence until he's down with weight.
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Not really, first look anyways, but he could stand to lose weight. Did I mention slowfeeder net?
Since he's not getting grain, all you can cut is roughage. But he's on ulcer guard, so he needs to munch constantly. The slowfeeder would help a lot with both, keep him munching, but less overall. You could then reduce the timothy pellets, have him eat less calories but still eating all the time.
If he has trouble with his metabolism, even the hay could be too sugary for him. Instead of 5lbs timothy pellets give him 2 lbs alfalfa pellets or even less....lowers overall NSC and calories(it's much less)
I'd even go so far as putting him on Remission or Quiessence until he's down with weight.
You did mention the slow feeder. I've been putting money aside for that, but I'm also sort of caught in between as I am also trying to get a poultice for him. I would think that preventing future health issues should be a priority, so I'll work on getting a Nibble Net ASAP (I believe that he won't destroy that one!).

He hasn't ever had trouble with his metabolism... It may have slowed down, but he's always eaten a LOT of feed, because he loses weight very quickly when he is in work. He was dropped very abruptly this time, though, and he did gain quite a bit of weight very quickly.

I can easily reduce the Timothy hay pellets; I really only need enough pelleted mixture to mix his supplements in. I've taken him 100% off of alfalfa to avoid extra energy, as that has been a huge obstacle for us.

My trainer feeds her horses Remission, and I was actually thinking about starting Mudpie on it! It does seem like a good idea! I'll also check out Quisessence, and see which might be best for him! :)

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Get creative and make him a try out net out of baling twine. With slightly larger holes than the Nibble Net, so he gets used to it and later on knows how to deal with the real one.
All you need is about 30 haystrings and a couple of hours of time. If he trashes that, only your time is lost
Alfalfa vs grass hay: 5 lbs timothy have around 30 MJ( energy), 2lbs alfalfa 18.... sugars: timothy13.8%, alfalfa 11..... see what I mean?
Remission vs Quiessence: if one of them is being fe in your barn already, try that. If you don't see lessening of the crest within a month, try the other.
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Okay, did some searching and reading re: stallrest or not. Can't link to the article.
you need to sign up at TheHorse: Your Guide to Equine Health Care | TheHorse.com and search for article# 27451
It's free, very interesting, and there are more articles on the subject.
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Get creative and make him a try out net out of baling twine. With slightly larger holes than the Nibble Net, so he gets used to it and later on knows how to deal with the real one.
All you need is about 30 haystrings and a couple of hours of time. If he trashes that, only your time is lost
Alfalfa vs grass hay: 5 lbs timothy have around 30 MJ( energy), 2lbs alfalfa 18.... sugars: timothy13.8%, alfalfa 11..... see what I mean?
Remission vs Quiessence: if one of them is being fe in your barn already, try that. If you don't see lessening of the crest within a month, try the other.
Okay, will do! I especially think that a slow feeder is important today, since I got a call at 10:00 this morning saying that Mudpie is kicking his stall door, pacing, and pawing... because the people who feed him in the mornings had yet to bother to show up. >.< So that was frustrating!! Luckily the person who called me was nice enough to give him his breakfast and that calmed him down right away. Then I got a text at 2:00 in the afternoon asking if I'd already fed... That was even more frustrating. So working on that!

I'd sort of like to avoid alfalfa, so do you think that reducing the timothy hay pellets to 2 lbs a day: 1 lb in the morning and 1 lb at night might be a better choice? I talked to my trainer today and she said that if I'm going to cut any feed, to cut the timothy hay pellets down. She also thought that a slow-feeder was a good idea, too. :)

My trainer isn't at my barn, so really I could go either way, but since Tractor Supply sells Remission, I'll start with that because it's most accessible. It's also cheaper. My trainer feeds it just for all of the "good stuff" that's in it, versus because any of her horses actually being at risk for laminitis. ;)

I'll check out that website momentarily! Thanks! :)

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Cutting the timothy pellets"only" is fine....I just keep thinking you buy your own....the alfalfa pellets are actually cheaper than timothy pellets
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The slowfeeder will avoid outbreaks like the one this morning and will make the UGuard unnecessary also. He'll have something in his stomach all the time, so the acid will not cause damage. This is one thing the alfalfa would be good for, btw...buffering stomach acids.
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Cutting the timothy pellets"only" is fine....I just keep thinking you buy your own....the alfalfa pellets are actually cheaper than timothy pellets
Nope! I am EXTREMELY fortunate to have a step father who is willing to pay for Mudpie's feed, board, and vet expenses!!

I wonder if it would be better to put him on orchard grass pellets instead? I'll have to compare the two... I buy the timothy grass pellets from Tractor Supply, and I assume that they'd sell the orchard grass pellets from the same manufacturer as well. :) My mother or step father usually end up picking up bags on their way home from work, so I haven't actually been to Tractor Supply in ages!

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The slowfeeder will avoid outbreaks like the one this morning and will make the UGuard unnecessary also. He'll have something in his stomach all the time, so the acid will not cause damage. This is one thing the alfalfa would be good for, btw...buffering stomach acids.
That's definitely my thought process. The person who let me know that Mudpie was being a delinquent this morning agreed to check and make sure that Mudpie had got his breakfast every morning when she got there, to make sure that he didn't get hungry enough to throw a fit! It's not fair to be feeding him at odd hours every day, either, so I'm really glad that there are nice people at this barn; it makes up for those sour grapes!

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