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post #11 of 31 Old 09-19-2013, 02:37 PM
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One thing that Parelli teaches that no one can dispute, & which your experience proves: Get OFF your horse the first second it crosses your mind to do so!

G-d certainly was protecting both you & Paragon there! :):):)

I'd make it my project to get Paragon deeply ok inside on the first couple of miles, though! He shouldn't live out his days as a horse who has this pattern, for his safety & yours, & also for his emotional wellbeing. What causes him to lose his ok-ness, what can you do to help him keep his attention within himself & on you? Too, at this point, it could be a habit!

Please consider taking the time it takes to get him left-brain (thinking) the first couple of miles, since it's come down to the difference between your retiring him or not. 20 isn't retirement age any more for many horses, & especially for Arabs, who are much happier when they've got jobs/adventures.

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One thing that Parelli teaches that no one can dispute, & which your experience proves: Get OFF your horse the first second it crosses your mind to do so!

G-d certainly was protecting both you & Paragon there! :):):)

I'd make it my project to get Paragon deeply ok inside on the first couple of miles, though! He shouldn't live out his days as a horse who has this pattern, for his safety & yours, & also for his emotional wellbeing. What causes him to lose his ok-ness, what can you do to help him keep his attention within himself & on you?
Yes, definitely agree with Parelli there!

Hmmm, as far as Paragon's nervousness, I could use some advice. His history has a lot to do with it, he doesn't have NEAR the amount of miles on him that a horse at 19 should have. He was green broke at two, and then not ridden at all 'till I got him at 16. Also, he just doesn't think at all when something scary comes along, he just reacts. Once again, that is only in the first few miles though. He is still more reactive than the other horses on the trail though, but not bad. He just raises his head and looks at things the others don't even notice. He is so insecure, but I KNOW that I am dominant. He always steps where I step, he moves where I want him to go, and ever since I established my dominance, he has never nipped me.

He is such a dominant horse though, whenever there is a new horse, he will not rest until he is boss. Why would he be so insecure out on the trail? He always gets really nervous when the front horse gets to far ahead. He is confusing.
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I've found PNH's horsenalities to be very helpful: a horse has a main horsenality, then a sub-horsenality which emerges when it's scared.
Sounds like Paragon's left-brain mainly (won't rest till rules other horses), then goes extroverted (has to move his feet, rather than freezes-plus-explodes?) when scared.

Left-brain=calm & deliberate & thinking, right-brain=reacting/not thinking, then extrovert or introvert for each side with its attendant behaviours makes the 4 main horsenalities.

I have a Savvy Club dvd in which Pat works with the 4 types, showing how each requires a different approach. (On one of the four, imo he messed up with horse at start, so took longer to bring horse around, but he did).

So, this material might help you get clear on Paragon & able to give him the leadership (& language & love) that he needs. You might want to call the PNH office!

Also, there's Dr. Deb Bennett's "Birdie Book", which is all about the horse's attention/birdie, which, every time it flies out from him to some object out yonder, makes the horse reactive/not ok inside. I've not read it, but from reading a lot of her forum posts, I'm sure that it's a valuable book.
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Hmmmm...if I got off my horse every time I thought something might be about to go wrong, I wouldn't ride much. I haven't read Dr. Deb Bennett's birdie book, but I've read enough nonsense on her website to take anything she writes with a big grain of salt.

I do agree that you need to know your horse's limitations. The time I spent leading my mare from the ground has proven invaluable in teaching me the difference between when she is uncomfortable, and when she is really getting scared. For really scared, backing up 10 feet & dismounting beats the heck out of what could happen if my pride kept me on her. That may have been what Parelli meant...I tend to have a negative reaction to his name, and may well be guilty of interpreting him wrong.
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Thanks, Northern! Paragon's behavior kind of makes sense when you explain it that way. I think I will look into Parelli!

What you said makes sense, bsms. I think ground work is very benificial.
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My Arabian, "Corporal" (1982-2009, RIP) was a 4yo when I bought him at auction. He learned to lose fears and eventually became afraid of pretty much...nothing in the 23 years that I owned him.
YOUR Arab is too green to be taking on trail rides that cross bridges. I'm not sure that my 7yo QH could handle that bridge right now.
NO horse that becomes unglued at the beginning of a ride will just "get better" later on during that ride and lose their fears like this. A horse loses fears when YOU are the leader and you spend the time to train the horse to listen to your authority. Then, when something is scary, they look to you to tell them it's okay.
Your horse might be fine, according to the Vet, but if he had thrown YOU, we wouldn't be reading this post.
You are very foolish taking a green horse out like this. Trail riding is not a training tool for a green horse, or the alternate sport for a horse that fails other sports. It requires a well broken mount with a sound mind to get you from point A to point B SAFELY.
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So glad the both if you are ok. I had a flighty mare years ago that scared herself and we fell
In a ravine and she ended up being an awesome trail horse. She is now ridden by a young teen girl and they so awesome
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My Arabian, "Corporal" (1982-2009, RIP) was a 4yo when I bought him at auction. He learned to lose fears and eventually became afraid of pretty much...nothing in the 23 years that I owned him.
YOUR Arab is too green to be taking on trail rides that cross bridges. I'm not sure that my 7yo QH could handle that bridge right now.
NO horse that becomes unglued at the beginning of a ride will just "get better" later on during that ride and lose their fears like this. A horse loses fears when YOU are the leader and you spend the time to train the horse to listen to your authority. Then, when something is scary, they look to you to tell them it's okay.
Your horse might be fine, according to the Vet, but if he had thrown YOU, we wouldn't be reading this post.
You are very foolish taking a green horse out like this. Trail riding is not a training tool for a green horse, or the alternate sport for a horse that fails other sports. It requires a well broken mount with a sound mind to get you from point A to point B SAFELY.
I completely understand where you are coming from. I have been trail riding for years and have ridden some very good horses, versus Paragon, so I know what you mean. But, I have ridden Paragon with some very knowledgable horse people, they have given me tips, said I control him very well, and none of them suggested to not trail ride him anymore. I also trust my grandfather, and he is with me on every single trail ride with Paragon, so he knows how he reacts as well as I do.

Thanks for your concern.
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Corporal has some wise thoughts there. I think your horse needs an experienced trainer who can help work all the spooks and issues out of him, not some trainer who makes his money off of gullible people who know no better, aka Clinton Anderson and a few others. Has your grandpa had any formal training or ever trained a good steady trail horse with issues such as yours has?

While this time it was a wise idea to get off, if you continue to do this, he is going to learn that if he does a certain behavior, you get off and it will only get worse. I have sat some pretty interesting things on a trail when a few times my own, now retired, QH gelding reacted to something scary suddenly.

I hope you find a good trainer who will take the time to help you and your horse. Trail horses need to be dependable and not so hot and worry some on the trail. If you can't work this out of him perhaps he isn't the horse for you or he isn't the breed you need to be able to depend on on the trail.
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wow how scary! Glad he is ok
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