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post #11 of 20 Old 05-26-2010, 10:03 AM
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that spinny thing doctors put your blood on (lol I forget the name)
Why does your mother have a centrifuge? They're pretty much useless unless you have the knowledge and the diagnostic tools with which to do blood work.

I have a thermometer and stethoscope, too. They're basic tools when you have horses.

I'd be loathe to use a medical stapler without the proper training, though.
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post #12 of 20 Old 05-26-2010, 10:18 AM
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I have similiar relationships with both my small animal and large animal vets; and they will both let me have drugs and supplies that they simply wouldn't let the average pet owner have. In the case of the equine vet; this relationship was formed over years of working together, my assisting with clinic cases and surgeries and their teaching me extensively. However, this trust relationship depends on their knowing that I know when I'm in over my head and when to call them.

Even though my family refers to me as a "Vet without a portfolio" I don't consider myself a vet or even almost a vet. I probably have a few more skills than average experienced horseperson because of my experience and my relationship with the vets.

I guess if I lived in a remote enough area, having a centrifuge (the blood thing) would make sense; lots of breeders have portable ultrasounds, if you had enough stock on your place, your own ultrasound would make sense. A good microscope and the ability to do cultures and fecal egg counts, ditto. I'm having trouble imagining that having your own portable xray equipment would make sense for anyone. The training required to actually read xrays and diagnose anything other than a gross fracture is extensive, and it would also be hard to cost justify the equipment on anything other than a huge working farm.

As far as stitches and wound care? I know how to do simple suturing; staples are even easier, and the staple gun is fairly cheap. Again, if I lived in a really remote area, I'd keep suture material, a staple gun and surgical drains on hand, but I have good access to vets and prefer they do this work.

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She can shoe, but we don't have the proper tools so we call the farrier
This is bizarre - a complete set of farrier tools is a couple hundred dollars, a little more if you need an anvil and hot forge. Way less than the cost of some of the other equipment you list as having. I have a complete set of farrier tools, minus the forge and anvil, so I can remove a loose shoe before it tears up the hoof wall, replace a nail, etc. I will do a *very* basic trim, but I simply don't have the upper body strength to do the rest.

Is your situation ridiculous? No. Wise? I'm not too sure. A good use of your time, money and resources? I doubt it.
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post #13 of 20 Old 05-26-2010, 10:56 AM
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So, did your mom attend "equine vet school" or not:
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Yes, yes, the vet....the problem being we have no good vets around here. Just a bunch of idiots who don't have a clue. Mom's the only one with any sense...She actually went to equine vet school, as our so-called "Equine vets" did not...Don't ask me how they even got the **** job.

And I generally ride her every day and give her time off on weekends, but since the weather has been really bad I've been riding every two or three days. This last week however I've been giving them all light workout to stay in shape. Nothing major.

Thanks guys.
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post #14 of 20 Old 05-26-2010, 11:01 AM
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I think most of the posters are taking the original post too seriously. o_O

Most things you can do on a person, you can do on a horse. And honeslty, a lot of it is common sense. If you have the medical training, it's fairly easy to apply that to other animals. I don't think you are calling your mom your sole vet, or that she is calling herself that [right?], you are just saying she is incredibly knowledgeable about all the basic things of medicine, and has horse sense [yes?].

I'm pretty confident in saying that in this situation, you're fine, not at all ridiculous. Assuming you and your mom know when she is in over her head, there's hardly a problem. And really, the only difference I think you need to be cautious of is medications and dosage; you can give some things to people you can't give to horses. But seeing as you get the stuff from the equine hospital, it doesn't seem like that's possible.

And as a side note, you aren't a lunatic for bragging about your mom. I think my mom is amazing, and I never hesitate to say, "I'll ask my mom, she knows everything." =D

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Speed Racer - She does know how to do blood work. She does a lot of it on the dogs.....Only once or twice on the horses when it was necessary.

Themacpack - Kind of complicated. Vet school, yes, but the program sucked and she was only there for a little while. Not long enough to be certified. But still, better than the idiot vets we have out here.

Riccil0ve - Since she never earned the degree she doesn't call herself a vet, but we do consider her better than the idiots we have. She's basically figured out dosages on her own, and I have never seen it gone wrong, and she claims nothing has ever gone wrong. The last time we did a vet visit was for the checkups and we go nearly a hundred miles off to find a decent vet, and we only do that if Mom is out of town with the trainer or if she comes with. Everytime we drive that far she ALWAYS double checks everything the vet does. Its so funny, she's like a drill instructor or something

Pssh.I didn't pick up the wrong lead
It's called a counter canter...
...A very advanced maneuver.
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post #16 of 20 Old 05-26-2010, 01:27 PM
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Sorrelhorse, usually I have a lot of respect for and appreciate most your posts, but this one really seems out there.

Respiratory Therapists are a 2 year certification course. There is minimal medical training involved. This does not make your mom a vet.

Attending a "little bit" of equine vet school and dropping out because "the program sucked" does not make your mom a vet.


I can see having and using an ultrasound, many of the farms I have worked for have them.

I cannot see having and using an Xray unit without training, and I cannot see having the ability to read bloodwork effectively without full training and lab support - just what does she look for on the bloodwork? Basic stuff like heartworm tests are a clickpack and just putting drops of blood on a screen - similar to a pregnancy test - that is not the same as doing real bloodwork, with diagnostic tools able to detect heart/liver/kidney function etc - you would need far more than a microscope and a centrifuge to do real bloodwork, not to mention intensive training. What kinds of tests is she performing on the horses/dogs?

I have a good relationship with my vet as well - they will generally trust my instincts and dispense medication without needing to see my animals for basic health issues. The day before yesterday my barncat was in labor and having difficulties - my vet gave me the dosages for her of Oxytocin (which I keep on hand anyways for my dogs) over the phone without a second thought.

However - any kind of major diagnostics, I would never rely solely on my own limited abilities - I would never be using major diagnostic tools without vet supervision and be so arrogant as to assume I am "good enough" if something was potentially seriously wrong with my animals. That's what scares me about your post. I get your mom is super handy and that's a good thing, but to think her help is replacing or worse, better than professional care is to me not a mentality you want to fall into.



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Just curious, does your mom know, without looking it up, what AIHA means? Does she know how to cure it? What meds to give?
She can't buy meds that require a veterinarian license and I can't imagine any vet anywhere risk their vet license to give a layperson meds that are under lock and key and have to be accounted for, and shown who dispenses them, like meds to put an animal to sleep, meds to anesthestize one. Where does she get meds to give anesthesia to an animal? Anyone can buy antibiotics, Pen G, etc but only a vet can buy the hard core pain meds, ketamine, etc. Don't tell me your mom has those in her home, you need a special permit to buy those things.
You sound like a young girl who is very proud of your mom, but your mother is not a vet. Diagnosing medications can be down to miniscule amounts and can be potentially dangerous. Have you ever had a REAL emergency? A horse down with a twisted gut? Don't tell me your mom does her own surgery also? Your mom cured founder? Wow, I imagine there are lots of vets that would like to know her cure.
I have worked for vets for years, breed dogs, etc. I can draw blood on both dogs,cats and horses, can read blood values, can give shots, etc. But I would never consider myself a vet and would not pretend to be a vet. Lots of breeders have pulled their own foals, shoulder locked, hip locked, etc and some experience folks do it without a vet, but they do not consider themselves vets. I can't believe that you called the Licensed Veterinarians in your area idiots. How demeaning to them, after all they accomplished what you mother didn't, they finished vet school and BECAME vets.
Being a respitory therapist is great, but she is not a vet in any way shape or form. She could also be arrested for practicing veterinary medicine without a license if she even thinks about taking care of someone elses animal for them.
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Just curious, does your mom know, without looking it up, what AIHA means? Does she know how to cure it? What meds to give?
She can't buy meds that require a veterinarian license and I can't imagine any vet anywhere risk their vet license to give a layperson meds that are under lock and key and have to be accounted for, and shown who dispenses them, like meds to put an animal to sleep, meds to anesthestize one. Where does she get meds to give anesthesia to an animal? Anyone can buy antibiotics, Pen G, etc but only a vet can buy the hard core pain meds, ketamine, etc. Don't tell me your mom has those in her home, you need a special permit to buy those things.
You sound like a young girl who is very proud of your mom, but your mother is not a vet. Diagnosing medications can be down to miniscule amounts and can be potentially dangerous. Have you ever had a REAL emergency? A horse down with a twisted gut? Don't tell me your mom does her own surgery also? Your mom cured founder? Wow, I imagine there are lots of vets that would like to know her cure.
I have worked for vets for years, breed dogs, etc. I can draw blood on both dogs,cats and horses, can read blood values, can give shots, etc. But I would never consider myself a vet and would not pretend to be a vet. Lots of breeders have pulled their own foals, shoulder locked, hip locked, etc and some experience folks do it without a vet, but they do not consider themselves vets. I can't believe that you called the Licensed Veterinarians in your area idiots. How demeaning to them, after all they accomplished what you mother didn't, they finished vet school and BECAME vets.
Being a respitory therapist is great, but she is not a vet in any way shape or form. She could also be arrested for practicing veterinary medicine without a license if she even thinks about taking care of someone elses animal for them.
I completely agree with wyominggrandma here.
Regarding the bolded part; please be very careful with what you say and claim on the internet.... While some think that it's "just the internet" we can all see that it is more than that.
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I understand your concern. She knows when she is in over her head. The vets don't give her stuff illegally. I know she isn't a vet. I don't know what the he'll she does or how the he'll she does it. I just know what's she's done and I wanted to know if she really was special or if everyone could do it. I know she has worked as a respitory therapist, medical research, and in hospitals since and before I was born. I'm sorry I can't be of any help. I haven't learned from her because I don't need to know bloodwork and such, I know how to do the basics I need. I understand how you can be skeptical and I'm not claiming she is a vet because she's not. Like I said, I just want to know if that's normal because I don't take time to look at everyone elses barns to see if the owner knows how to use an x Ray. I know she does because she learned at a hospital, but I'm afraid I can't offer any more information because that's all I know and that's all she has told me.
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And no surgery. The founder was a story I heardfrom my father. I wouldn't be surprised if he mistook it. I will have to ask her because it was before I was born. She cured a foal with brain damage in a birth canal. She saved a horse who was attacked by a lion cat. Like I said, I don't know how she does it. I've told you what I know. Maybe I need to start paying attention to her more.
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