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post #1 of 11 Old 03-12-2013, 09:14 PM Thread Starter
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My problem horse...

Okay so this is the third thread i've started about this particular issue in the past 2 years, and hopefully this will be the last time I have to post about it. My horse is a 20 year old QH gelding that I've had for about 8 years, but it feels like 20 years.. I don't want to go into all the details about mine and Tiger's history again, so here's a link to one of my previous threads:https://www.horseforum.com/horse-talk...do-now-132240/
It's a really long story, and I'm sorry about that, but we've been through a lot together. Basically, I'm still warring with myself as to whether I should try to sell him or not.
I've recently been working with him, I've been on him bareback a few times (I sold my saddle about 2 years ago because it was too small for me) and I've been working on groundwork with him and he's actually been doing really well. I've been watching training videos on how to work with difficult horses, and videos concerning how to deal with issues he has. I've also been interning for a vet for my veterinary technician course, so I've just become more comfortable around horses and learned more about horses more than I knew even when I started that last thread.
There haven't been any incidents with Tiger yet, and I'm definitely not as scared of him as I used to be, if at all and so far he's been acting better than ever. I would really like to find a saddle that fits him and see if I can't get him into better shape, but I don't know if I want to commit to buying a saddle for him if I'm not going to keep him.. I guess I just feel like since he's 20 and not really a kids horse, that no one would want to buy him. He definitely doesn't act 20, and my farrier who just recently trimmed his hooves, said they were in good shape. My vet said the same thing about his teeth and body condition (He just got floated and up to date on his shots)
So technically, he's actually ready to sell except for coggins, and the fact that he's not really in the best of shape as far as riding him goes.. I'm just not sure what to do at this point, should I continue riding him and see where it goes, or just sell him as is? I am extremely attached to this horse and this has been a difficult thing for me to decide, obviously. :)
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post #2 of 11 Old 03-12-2013, 09:19 PM
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That's a tough one but are you looking for a kids horse? and can you afford more than one horse?
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post #3 of 11 Old 03-12-2013, 09:22 PM Thread Starter
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I'm really just looking for an all around horse that I can do anything with, one that's preferably younger as I'm just 19 (and one that's smaller than Tiger, who is 15.3, because I'm just 5'1 ;)). I've thought about just getting another horse and keeping Tiger, but my grandparents don't want me having another horse as long as I have Tiger.. Plus, I really hate the idea of having him just sitting out in the pasture while I ride another horse (Which is what has been happening for about 8 months, because I ride horses for a lady a couple times a week)
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post #4 of 11 Old 03-12-2013, 09:25 PM
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Well maybe you can advertise him and go from there. Be completely honest with the people about his training ect and maybe he will be exactly what someone is looking for. You never know!
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So I guess I have one more question, how should I go about advertising him? I want to be completely honest, because the guy we bought him from wasn't completely honest. But I'm afraid his issues will scare people away...
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post #6 of 11 Old 03-13-2013, 01:32 AM
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I would say buy a saddle with an interchangeable gullet system so that if it doesnt work out you can still use the saddle on another horse. I vote give him a chance =) especially if he is doing so much better on the ground now. Its hard to find a good home for a 20 yr old especially with issues
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post #7 of 11 Old 03-13-2013, 01:54 AM
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If it were me I would send him to a trainers.
At 20 with problems it's going to be near impossible to sell, who on earth is going to put in months of training on a horse that might not be around for another 10 years? As much as I love love older horses, the only way I would take a 20 year old is if he was 100% sound and a babysitter. Since you've had him for so long you should do right by him and at least try to get his problems solved by a professional. If they can't fix him, turn him out or put him down.
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I couldn't get through the huge , solid block of text from your description of how the problems got started, but I think it couldn't hurt to try and sell him. you never know.

Or , look for a different trainer who will have a different approach, and will work with you, too.

rename him. start over with a different name and a clean sweep.. . pretend you just bought him and you need to make him a good riding horse for you. as if the past with him does not exhist. it'll be easier to form a new relationship if you aren't constantly thinking back to how he bucked or laid down with you or . . .
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I wouldn't try to rehome a problem 20 year old. I'd turn the horse out, and get another, if you can afford it.

Or I'd love him, give him carrots, and use a bullet.
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post #10 of 11 Old 03-13-2013, 04:08 AM
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Well, I skimmed through your link. There are very few horses in this world that you can let sit idle for extended periods of time and expect to be "dog gentle/bomb proof" on the trail at the drop of a hat. It happens, but it is the exception not the rule. It takes a lot of consistant work to just get a solid foundation, and for some horses...double, some, triple. It also requires that you have the ability to read and consider them. It is only fair. I think he deserves every chance he can be get.

I will be blunt, but I do not mean to offend. You haven't had a saddle for 2 years? Bareback is a great way to go, but not if you don't have the confidence in yourself or the horse under you - that is hardly a "fair chance". In your previouse post, if I understood it correctly, you were working w him on the ground and he bolted toward you...you did not have a training whip in your hand - because? Again, that is not a fair chance. As suggested above - take him to a trainer (again, give him a fair chance and do your homework to locate a reputable and knowledgeable trainer). If he responds well, you can say in "disclosure" that he responded well to professional training - which is the same as saying his behavior depends on the handler's ability.

I hope you find him a good home w someone that can give him a fair chance. If it were me, I would plan on diligently trying to sell him to a deserving buyer (one that will care for him well) and know and accept that he probably will not sell over night. There is no shame in being "out horsed", it happens all the time to a lot of owners..and what you ultimately do is up to you. But, whatever horse you then get - I sure hope you give it a fair chance.
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