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post #41 of 45 Old 03-07-2013, 12:14 AM Thread Starter
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So let me make sure i have this right....muzzle during the day light hours while in pasture...In the evening when I bring her in for the night feed the RB with some grass hay??? i feel so stupid...lol...Like a child having to repeat the same things over again so I'm sure to "get it"!
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post #42 of 45 Old 03-07-2013, 07:26 AM
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My guy lives alone and does just fine. no companion animals except for our dogs and a few chickens (which he does "play" around with) Our relationship has actually done better because of it. He has stopped spooking and now goes on trails great. I use him to go on trails with my friends *very green and very very spooky horse and he is usually the one who keeps the other one from having a complete mental breakdown.
Yes, some are just fine without a companion-others absolutely NOT! I have one of each......my older guy will go nuts without another horse around. Some are even bound to a particular companion they have been with for a period of time, and there is NO calming some of them. Since we have no way to know what the OP's horse is like, I would not suggest she try without a companion, as some will go through anything to get with another horse.

OP-I would also caution you on trying to correct the pigeon toes. In older horses who have been that way for a while, you can do more harm than good. Shoot-when my older guy was free leased to a rescue their farrier tried to trim off his flares in the rear too much and he was so lame he had to come home for 6 months. Depending on what you are going to try and do with her-it may not be worth the risk at all.

I second Celeste's caution-make sure the kids know to stay clear totally until you have a feel for how this horse is, and then they need to learn how to approach, etc. If you have 4-h-that would be great-to start them without the horse, just to learn. I would be cautious about trusting any horse to much until they have proven, beyond a doubt, to be worthy of that trust.

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post #43 of 45 Old 03-07-2013, 08:22 AM
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So I need to specifically ask our farrier if he knows how to deal with pigeon toed horses??? I guess I would assume that is something they knewYes and No is the answer Some THINK they know but they don't. I would ask him what his approach to trimming Penelope is going to be.

If he says "we can FIX her", he's the wrong person as there is no fixing a horse that has been pigeon-toed all it's life. He could do more harm than good.

If he says "the best we can do is trim her to keep her comfortable", you're on the right path with him.

Be sure to express your concern about taking too much hoof off at once, since she hasn't seen a farrier in such a long while.

I would prefer, again if you can afford this, to see him do a little bit now, and come back in 4 weeks, if her hooves are really bad.

This gives the tendons in her legs time to stretch and adjust; especially with the pigeon toes.

...but Im the newb so I have no clue. I'm going Friday to go feed shopping so I'll update what I decide on then. I have slowly been giving my husband bits of information that you wonderful people have shared with me but I think I'm overwhelming him It's a good thing women are better at staying organized and compartmentalizing things in our brains - lol lol lol.

But, to be fair, you both have the right to be overwhelmed. What we have been throwing at you, is over-whelming to an experienced horse owner
[quote]So I ordered the muzzle but am unsure how to untroduce her to it. Should I just on day one upon her arrival put it on her or let her settle in for a few days first. Well that's a great great question. The bad thing is we're supposed to be warming up, come this weekend. That means the sugars will be pushing up thru the grass - I am going to have to muzzle my IR horse.


I hate seeing that with a horse that's adjusting to a new home.

Here's what could work, according to your already busy schedule:

1. If she's been out all night, bring her in before the sun comes up in full, as the sugars will start pushing thru the grass. It will be your lucky day if it's pouring rain with cloud cover all day, then you won't have to muzzle her

2. Somewhere around 9-9:30 let her out for an hour or two without the muzzle. Bring her back in the barn for some hay and water.

3. Put the muzzle on her for the rest of the afternoon until the sun goes down, at which point, the muzzle can come off for night time grazing.

4. Once she seems to settle in at your place. You might still want to bring her in her stall for half the ration of RB, some hay & water, then muzzle her for turnout the rest of the day.



She will most likely go on strike and just stand there.


Most horses only do that for a day or two but my IR horse did that for three solid weeks; I had to bring him in every afternoon to drink water and eat hay.

Penelope will have already had Grass and hay time, so if she stands around moping, don't make eye contact or you will start to cry. It's Tough Love.

Once the sun goes down, the muzzle can come off - they are not meant to be on 24/7.

Of course all this means, somebody has a stall to clean - maybe the ten year old if homework isn't too heavy

Also is it typical for a horse who has never worn one to act up from the new contraption It is - but the worst they usally do is try to rub it off on a tree or fence post, or lay down and rub it off that way - lol

It is critical to get the muzzle properly adjusted for her. Horses can eat with the basket anywhere from 1/2" to 1/4" away from their lips. My two horses wear them at 1/4".

You have to be able to see both their lips when you look under there.

I had to plastic tie the basket back on one of my Walking Horses. His facial structure is very refined for a Walker and the basket flopped around on him, no matter how I adjust it.

I got the adjustment the first time, on the horse that pouted for three weeks because his bone structure is not near as refined - lol

Meaning, it will be trial and error.

Penelope may rub herself raw with the basket, until she gets used to running it along the grass. I used to cut Dr. Scholl's corn pads and put them on the muzzle where Joker rubbed himself but they need changed when they get dirty [/QUOTE]


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So let me make sure i have this right....muzzle during the day light hours while in pasture...Correct

In the evening when I bring her in for the night feed the RB with some grass hay???Correct, unless you are able to split the RB feeding into AM and PM, then give her 8 measured ounces each time.

Typically, one pound of RB is supposed to meet the horse's daily requirements.

If there's too much hoopla in the AM, feed Penelope 16 ounces of RB in the evening. But the more you can handle/be around her, the better her adjustment will be

Use an old household measure cup (plastic or metal so you don't have to worry about glass breaking if it drops).

i feel so stupid...lol...Like a child having to repeat the same things over again so I'm sure to "get it"!Believe me, you already "have it" more than some folks that have owned horses for five years or more

I always prided myself on being Master Drill Sergeant organized because I had a 40+ hour/week job, my son, life on the farm.

You have five children to manage and do for, plus the farm and all the animals. I tip my hat to you in a big way. You will do just fine with Penelope
One thing you might do before you head to the feed store on Friday, is to call ahead and ask them what brands of Ration Balancers they have.

If they are brand names, we can look them up before you get to the feed store.

I tend to shy away from locally made products as they tend to do things really cheap and generally are not of the highest quality. The price usually reflects that.

If you're going to Tractor Supply, they carry Purina and Nutrena (don't buy DuMor).

Purina has Enrich 32.

NOT Enrich 12 as it is designed for horses eating legume hays (alfalfa).

Nutrena has "Special Care Safe Choice" the sugars in it are supposd to only be 4%. That is a little lower than their "Safe Choice Original".

Both the Enrich 32 and the Nutrena Safechoice products claim to be corn-free, which is what you want.

If TSC is where you go, you might as well call ahead and see if they carry these specific products. Oftentimes they do not but they can order the product in.

Whatever you settle on, I would call the company's 800 number and ask them what the minimum amount is you can feed to assure the horse gets all its vitamins & minerals.

The answer should be one pound - you will notice that isn't the feed recommendation on the bag

I feed my almost 27 yr old one pound daily of Triple Crown Senior (along with some other supplements) and his coat is glowing.

I feed two other horses one pound each per day of McCauley's M-10 Balancer and they are doing just great so far.

If hoof and coat quality ever start to deteriorate, then I will have to re-think that one pound daily.

The point is, you don't want to feed Penelope more than she needs; not only for her health and well-being but for your checkbook.

The recommendations on horse feed bags are generic - each horse owner has to address the horse's specific needs. Generally the best way to do that is with more hay, not more Ration Balancer or grain.

I hope you're still excited to get Penelope home, after all this rigamorole - lol lol

It would not have been this complex had it not been for her diet needs (especially since the vet recognized her weight issue) and the pigeon toes

I am so sorry for writing books. My family has had horses since before I was born and I've bought/paid for my own since I was 12.

I take a lot for granted and I am trying to look at every detail thru your eyes.

I hope if I am missing something or giving any sort of mis-information, someone will come in and say so

A Good Horseman Doesn't Have To Tell Anyone; The Horse Already Knows.

I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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post #44 of 45 Old 03-07-2013, 08:30 AM
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1. De-worming. Do you know when the last time was for that?

If it's been a year or more, Penelope is going to have eat a tube of wormer paste. I would call the vet for recommendations.

2. Vaccinations - same question as the worming BUT don't worry about those for now, unless your area has a big rabies issue, then Penelope should probably have a rabies shot.

I don't take vaccinating lightly but, until the dust settles, put this about half way down the Penelope List; unless there's a rabies issue in your area.

3. Vet ---- will you be able to keep Penelope's same vet or are you outside his territory?

If you can't keep him, finding a new large animal vet before you need one, should also be at the top of your Penelope List - loll ol

That one won't cost you anything but a few phone calls and hopefully the nearest vet is taking new patients.

Ideally, you can keep Penelope's current vet and save all that calling around

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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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post #45 of 45 Old 03-07-2013, 08:41 AM Thread Starter
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I will not be able to keep her current vet but luckily I have a wonderful large animal vet just 2 miles down the road from me. I have heard many say he is the best horse doc around and they dont take there other animals there but he is the only one they let touch their horses. I'll call my feed store, TSC, and Big R today to see what they carry and repost for some opinion.
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