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post #11 of 23 Old 05-19-2013, 01:54 AM
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It does get tricky in close quarters, IMO.When you can turn them out in the wide open, and if there is no other "concern" (e.g., youngster w a really old guy), then they work it all out relatively quickly. In close quarters you are forced to witness them "hashing it out", and b/c of the confinement it is more dangerous for them...and you fret (at least I do). He might just want her to acknowledge and agree that he calls the shots, and she asks permission - but they can't get to that agreement (which she might gladly "sign off on") with a fence between them and need space to safely establish it.

If you can, you might try turning them out in a good sized pasture and let them work it out.
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Not always true with a true submissive. My horse has never fought for that ever. He's a wuss.
horses dont fight to be bottom horse though- they fight to be higher on the pecking order-- i agree- the more submissive horses turn away from conflict- but even with two submissive horses theres a higher ranked submissive horse on the pecking order- they cant both be the most submissive- theres always one higher than another.
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Several people will say to never put mares with geldings. I disagree. For about 5 years, we've had ours together. We've just recently separated them because of our yearling stud colt and we don't want him to breed.

Over the years, we've introduced different horses into the herd. There is always squealing, biting, kicking, and chasing off. It's normal. There has only been one time a vet was needed but that was the day after the hooves got trimmed. The "new" horse had been with the herd for a while already though.

Sometimes scuffles will settle after a few days and sometimes it can go on for months. That new horse that needed a vet was introduced in September. Scuffles went on for months until we introduced two more horses in February.

When we separated our mares, we left the alpha mare in the geldings because we were getting three rescue mares. When we put the alpha mare in with the other girls, there was some scuffles and challenges between the two top mares that have been together for most of 13 years. Things did settle after a day or so.

OP, I would wait at least a few more days until they seem to settle down. Then turn them out together. There will be some more scuffles again but shouldn't last too long. I would be careful about putting wire fence between them. A kicking horse can easily get caught up in that wire. If you have a sturdy wood fence between them, they will be fine.
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But I just wasn't sure when to let them out together.. Some people have told me to wait a little longer, and some have told me to just do it now.
It won't hurt anything to wait until you'll more comfortable.

Put them together for an hour while you can keep an eye on things and then separate them again. Repeat for a few days until things calm down.

Keep your betadine and neosporin handy. There are usually some scrapes involved in this process.
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Well, they're acting better today, but they've changed behaviors.. Now Tiger's acting like a stud and Kismet acts like she's in heat.. Which she probably is, but Tiger hasn't ever acted that way before. He was around a mare a few years ago, but they mostly just got ridden together. They weren't kept in the same pasture.

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I moved my horse to a new place early this year. They live out in a herd of about 18 horses and all we did was let him loose with them. The BO said so long as they are running together and not pushing him into a corner, they'll all be fine. She was absolutely right! They galloped a bit and then had a nap, haha!
He was bitten and kicked a little for a few weeks, but quickly settled in with the herd. I must add though that they were introduced in a HUGE field so there was plenty of room to run and not many places to be cornered. Also, Star is a smart little guy and made sure to keep out of the nasty's way as much as possible. ;)
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^^^ It is actually easier with horses lower on the pecking order. They are smart enough to cozy up to the "bosses" and are not seen as a threat to the order. Our bottom of the order mare (#4) eats at the round bale between #1 and #2 and they don't bother her at all. All the competative fuss is between her and #3.
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^^^ It is actually easier with horses lower on the pecking order. They are smart enough to cozy up to the "bosses" and are not seen as a threat to the order. Our bottom of the order mare (#4) eats at the round bale between #1 and #2 and they don't bother her at all. All the competative fuss is between her and #3.
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Exactly! My sweet submissive boy somehow managed to make friends with #1 (or somewhere up high) so now when they go for a drink of water, he is one of the first ones allowed to drink (as opposed to dead last when he got there).
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Well, they're acting better today, but they've changed behaviors.. Now Tiger's acting like a stud and Kismet acts like she's in heat.. Which she probably is, but Tiger hasn't ever acted that way before. He was around a mare a few years ago, but they mostly just got ridden together. They weren't kept in the same pasture.
Yup! And thats why most people dont keep mares with geldings..

boys will be boys-- and mares will be.. hussys!
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Yup

Yup! And thats why most people dont keep mares with geldings..

boys will be boys-- and mares will be.. hussys!
Haha! Yes they will ;)

Now that they're doing this I'm not sure if I should even try putting them together.. I really want to because I feel like they'd be fine after a while, but I would definitely wait until she goes out of heat to do it. I may just have to separate them when she goes into heat.

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