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post #11 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 10:42 AM
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He sounds a lot like my Teddy in personality, only Teddy was already trained, just very worried and anxious about everything. I have personally found it SO rewarding to get him to where he could trust someone again. Watching him come alive little by little. And the day my daughter rode him in a lesson and you could see how hard it was for him because he was still anxious and she had never really ridden him, but he tried SO hard and he did SO well.

When I got him, I swear he had the exact same look in his eye that you're describing: "I'm worried about this. Can I trust you? Will you treat me right?" If you have experience training a horse or can work with someone (with a horse like this, it needs to be someone with a very calm demeanor) who does, I'd say yes buy him! It sounds like she is asking a little much for him. I would give her the numbers everyone else has given, and offer a lower price.

One thing I have heard about horses like this, and it was true for Teddy, is that they can internalize a lot of anxiety and then sometimes they might blow. Teddy apparently did that once. And he can NOT handle an anxious rider. So if you're taking him as a project to re-sell, you might have to be thoughtful about potential buyers. And to reiterate, whoever trains him needs to be calm, patient, and understanding. As an example, I rode him in a group lesson once with the yelly instructor, who makes him nervous. So he got worried and couldn't stand still when it was the other person's turn to do something. So she yelled at him and then thunked him. Well, guess what, that just made him more worrried and anxious and less able to stand still. I ended up leaving the lesson early because he was just getting more and more anxious. At some point, I'd like him to be able to deal with that sort of thing, but it will have to be a slow approach.

In short -- be aware, but take him! Save his life! You can do it! Just be ready to be very patient and move as slowly as necessary.
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post #12 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 10:45 AM Thread Starter
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I really like his build - he's a solid looking little guy. What would your intentions be? Train him to re-sell, or keep as your own horse? He looks like he'd be a great little trail horse once he's trained up.

I haven't been to the auctions around here for quite some time, but I think $500 is a bit high. There is still a hay shortage and the grass isn't growing in enough yet to just kick horses out on pasture. I think if you are serious I would offer the current owner $250-$400. If she wants a good home for him she will accept your offer. I don't know too many owners who wouldn't sell for a bit lower to a good home than take to an auction for an unknown amount? But that is just me and assuming people have a soul.

Keep us updated on what you decide to do.
He would be my 3rd horse so at this time, I'd lean a bit more to training him to re-sell, but being there with him, he somewhat stole my heart already so there's a decent chance he'd end up joining my little family.

While hay isn't easy to come by, i actually have an uncle who makes hay and I've got some already set to the side that will be brought over in the next two weeks. Plus, since he's family, I'll always be able to get hay from him so it's not a huge concern about feeding this guy.
And since a few people have suggested offering less for him, I'll try doing that, but I'm not too sure this lady will go for it. But I guess we'll find out what happens in about a weeks time.
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post #13 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 10:54 AM Thread Starter
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He sounds a lot like my Teddy in personality, only Teddy was already trained, just very worried and anxious about everything. I have personally found it SO rewarding to get him to where he could trust someone again. Watching him come alive little by little. And the day my daughter rode him in a lesson and you could see how hard it was for him because he was still anxious and she had never really ridden him, but he tried SO hard and he did SO well.

When I got him, I swear he had the exact same look in his eye that you're describing: "I'm worried about this. Can I trust you? Will you treat me right?" If you have experience training a horse or can work with someone (with a horse like this, it needs to be someone with a very calm demeanor) who does, I'd say yes buy him! It sounds like she is asking a little much for him. I would give her the numbers everyone else has given, and offer a lower price.

One thing I have heard about horses like this, and it was true for Teddy, is that they can internalize a lot of anxiety and then sometimes they might blow. Teddy apparently did that once. And he can NOT handle an anxious rider. So if you're taking him as a project to re-sell, you might have to be thoughtful about potential buyers. And to reiterate, whoever trains him needs to be calm, patient, and understanding. As an example, I rode him in a group lesson once with the yelly instructor, who makes him nervous. So he got worried and couldn't stand still when it was the other person's turn to do something. So she yelled at him and then thunked him. Well, guess what, that just made him more worrried and anxious and less able to stand still. I ended up leaving the lesson early because he was just getting more and more anxious. At some point, I'd like him to be able to deal with that sort of thing, but it will have to be a slow approach.

In short -- be aware, but take him! Save his life! You can do it! Just be ready to be very patient and move as slowly as necessary.
It does sound like Teddy and this guy are a lot alike! And I totally get what you mean about me or any other person working with him needing to be calm and patient with him. I think it was because i was calm and didn't push him to follow me when he did stop or falter, that he started to relax. When i gave him plenty of praise in a way he was comfortable with, he did even better the second time I asked him to walk with me and he started to relax even more as well.

I think one concern with him is to make sure if I do get someone else to work with him as well, they can't be overly dominating and in his face either since that's what this lady is kind of like and he doesn't seem to take to that kind of approach.
And thanks for the heads up about there being a "expolosion" type of reaction. I've had that happen with a different horse, except it wasn't cause of being anxious, it because he was annoyed with me since he'd had 2 years off and now I was making him work lol.
Thanks for the encourgement and advice!
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post #14 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 12:38 PM
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I would like to see some more photos of this horse. Those tipped ears are usually only found on certain breeds that he does not seem to look like.

If I was looking at him, I would certainly take the chance. Every horse comes with baggage, but I really like the look of this horse.
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post #15 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 01:05 PM Thread Starter
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I would like to see some more photos of this horse. Those tipped ears are usually only found on certain breeds that he does not seem to look like.

If I was looking at him, I would certainly take the chance. Every horse comes with baggage, but I really like the look of this horse.
I don't have any more pics at this time. But the one ear looks tipped due to an injury. He managed to cut his ear on something in his field, so the top of his left ear, there's it's split about half an inch long from the tip down. Due to the split, the end have curled back slightly to make the ear look tipped in certain angles. But his breed is unknown so there's potential there's something different in him.

And I am definitely leaning towards snatching him up before he has a chance to end up at auction. The look in his eyes is what gets me and the way he acted the short time I was with him with wanting to trust me already.
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post #16 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 01:15 PM
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OK, it was kind of hard to see, but they did look tipped in the photo. I'd get him too, offering maybe $250 to start.
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post #17 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 01:22 PM
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I'd offer $300 cash for him and show up with a trailer. She'll probably take it. No way she gets $500 for a grade, small horse at auction. I like him. I have a little horse I got with this same look in his eye, and watching him learn to like and trust people again is heartwarming. Put him in a pen and bring him a measure of grain and his hay and just sit with him for awhile. Then look into Warwick Schiller's video library with the focus work. It does wonders for horses like this. I wouldn't buy him with the intention to resell--- just go into it looking to improve his life and see what happens. This is the type of horse that ends up a '1 person horse'. If he ends up for resale, great, but if not, you may have a nice, sturdy little saddle horse out of this.

I think the tipped ears are due to frostbite. He looks like a little mustang. No brand on him?
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post #18 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 01:37 PM
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If it were me thinking about buying him, I would come with a trailer and five hundred dollars and offer three hundred negotiating from there. She may get five at auction but probably not and she would not be having to go through all of the bother and expense to take him there

I think that he is cute and he has such a soft eye. He looks very worried in the pics and would probably be great with some kindness offered to him.
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post #19 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 02:09 PM Thread Starter
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I'd offer $300 cash for him and show up with a trailer. She'll probably take it. No way she gets $500 for a grade, small horse at auction. I like him. I have a little horse I got with this same look in his eye, and watching him learn to like and trust people again is heartwarming. Put him in a pen and bring him a measure of grain and his hay and just sit with him for awhile. Then look into Warwick Schiller's video library with the focus work. It does wonders for horses like this. I wouldn't buy him with the intention to resell--- just go into it looking to improve his life and see what happens. This is the type of horse that ends up a '1 person horse'. If he ends up for resale, great, but if not, you may have a nice, sturdy little saddle horse out of this.

I think the tipped ears are due to frostbite. He looks like a little mustang. No brand on him?
I can believe it's a very rewarding process to see them blossom under your care. And that's pretty much the approach I was planning on him, though I haven't really heard of that trainer before so I'll have to look into his videos. And I'm not set on reselling him. It's more like a wait and see how things go. Some horses you can work with and get along, but not entirely bond. If I can find him the perfect home, then great. But if it ends up that him and I bond, then I'll just have another horse. I'm very much open to just having him forever. My first and foremost concern with him is just getting him to open up and become confident and grow.

And I suppose it could be frost bite. When he was younger, one owner he had was ready to kill him cause the winter was bad and they didn't have any more hay for him.
And there's no brand on him. I suppose he could be from a feral band though. I have a filly that came from a feral band and they don't brand them.



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If it were me thinking about buying him, I would come with a trailer and five hundred dollars and offer three hundred negotiating from there. She may get five at auction but probably not and she would not be having to go through all of the bother and expense to take him there

I think that he is cute and he has such a soft eye. He looks very worried in the pics and would probably be great with some kindness offered to him.
I'll keep that in mind. And he does have a very soft eye. I honestly don't see a mean bone in his body. And if he ever is mean, it's out of fear. He's definitely one that needs a lot of love to heal the hurt and worry he seems to carry.
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post #20 of 36 Old 04-28-2019, 02:41 PM
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Very handsome boy looks real sturdy big boned fairly well put together. He's worth the time it will take to train him. If you're Willing to put in that time looking at probably 2 years.

Price 500$ is on the high side. Around here un trained grade geldings go cheap 200 to 250$.

My pally who was still a stud had bad experiences with humans in general. He is papered AQHA well bred....picked him up for 100$ with papers and signed transfer. So that said I wouldn't pay more then 200 for grade gelding.

He's not worth much more then slaughter price. Here at auction he go for kill there's all kinds of horses like him there destination is usually the slaughter house in Mexico.

He's nice looking and worth a chance but horse's like him are a dime a dozen. I see them in kill pens and at auction.
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