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post #11 of 77 Old 09-01-2018, 01:44 AM
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I don't know what to say to this. I question though, if these babies did not come from any of those places listed, then where did they come from. It takes a lot of callousness to do this knowing that a lot of these animals will not survive and will suffer tremendously.

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post #13 of 77 Old 09-02-2018, 11:47 AM Thread Starter
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Are you trying to adopt? What's the purpose behind trying to find these horses? Likely, most didn't turn out so well, are you sure you really want to find out all the bad news?
No. Not looking to adopt, I have 2 horses and I know the care of raising foals this young, so no.

The purpose is stopping this from happening again. The fact that these sick foals have been trailered from NM into so many other states should be more than enough for any horse owner to be appalled. Strangles is a reportable disease.

And the cruelty of it needs to be exposed as well. This is wrong, however you slice it, this is wrong.

NM, TX, OK, KS, MO, IL, IN, PA, OH, to end up in NY, and then some taken into MD and ME for the NY ones. And the trailer that hauled them? Then went down into FL. So add possibly VA, WV, GA and FL to the exposure.

NM, TX, OK, KS, MO, IL, IN, KY, TN, NC to end up in SC.

The ones from KS have gone into OK, and into IA, possibly going through NE as well.

And that is just the ones we know about.

The worst would be knowing that I did nothing to try to stop this. Which is why I am looking for more people who may have bought one of these foals, or have bought foals from another reservation in similar circumstances.

I have no illusions that this will be a happy ending. I do think that this needs to be brought to the light.
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Poor things. Is there a reason they couldn't/wouldn't wait until they were old enough to wean?
Money. All about the money.

The ones doing this only see that.

To some these are just collateral damage...and they don't want to wait to get the money for the mares. And after all, probably easier to corral up mares with foals, than horses without them?

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I was at the Nevada, Missouri sale barn May 22nd and a friend of mine picked up 8 foals from NM... there were 12 total that went through. Papers were traced back to a veterinarian who is involved in the racing industry..... but lots of secrecy overall. Was told that several hundred were being shipped to a guy in Kansas and from there being broke up into loads of 80 and sold at various sale barns in Missouri. The guys from Kansas wouldnít say anything other than he expected another load of 200 in June, and the vets office claimed they couldnít share owner information.... but they were listed as the owners.....The foals at the Nevada sale barn were all colored... paints, roans and duns. None had any markers or numbers other than the sale barn tags. Ultimately 7 of the 8 my friend got survived and are doing well. The one she lost was obviously only a day or two old.

I canít say for sure your Jamesport babies are part of the same bunch, but it seems way too coincidental for them not to be. We just figured they were nursemare babies since the vet was listed as part of the industry and also owns a rather large Santa gertrudis cattle company.... Iíd be curious to learn more if you find anything out.

I messaged you. And this would tie in with the foals that arrived in Jamesport on May 25th too.

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Did you get my PM with the response from my Navajo friend? Basically, it is extremely unlikely these babies came off the Navajo reservation. Could be from another reservation in the southwest, but not likely. More likely for them to be babies that came off a kill lot (send the mares to kill and dump the babies once you have enough for a full load) or like the above poster mentioned, nurse mare foals.
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Did you get my PM with the response from my Navajo friend? Basically, it is extremely unlikely these babies came off the Navajo reservation. Could be from another reservation in the southwest, but not likely. More likely for them to be babies that came off a kill lot (send the mares to kill and dump the babies once you have enough for a full load) or like the above poster mentioned, nurse mare foals.
This makes more sense than off the reservations. I don't know many Native Americans who would stand for this. Coming from kill buyers, futurity failures, nurse mare foals (though that willy nilly breeding seems to have gone the way of the old PMU breeders, they now know that there's a market for well bred foals over just .....mutts). I don't know a bunch of nurse mare folks, but the ones I do know, are extremely careful of their breeding and take care of the foals who need to have their mares sent out.

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Did you get my PM with the response from my Navajo friend? Basically, it is extremely unlikely these babies came off the Navajo reservation. Could be from another reservation in the southwest, but not likely. More likely for them to be babies that came off a kill lot (send the mares to kill and dump the babies once you have enough for a full load) or like the above poster mentioned, nurse mare foals.

No, didn't get your PM yet. There has been talk for years about this being done on the NN, some are against it, some are all for it and others don't want it known they are doing this. And is also going on at other reservations too.

And these are not 'nursemare foals'. As I said in the OP, that is a scam perpetuated on the unknowing, to get money.

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This makes more sense than off the reservations. I don't know many Native Americans who would stand for this. Coming from kill buyers, futurity failures, nurse mare foals (though that willy nilly breeding seems to have gone the way of the old PMU breeders, they now know that there's a market for well bred foals over just .....mutts). I don't know a bunch of nurse mare folks, but the ones I do know, are extremely careful of their breeding and take care of the foals who need to have their mares sent out.
There are many who stand for this just fine, that is the problem. There are people in every group of people that only do things for money, and this is an instance of this. There are at low estimates 30,000 feral horses, and high estimates of over 50,000 on the NN. Being an Indian doesn't mean you revere horses, no more than anyone else.




These are not coming from kill buyers. These are not good quality foals in any sense of the word. And there isn't wide spread usage of nursemares in the Thoroughbred industry. Again, that is just a scam.

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It sounds like you've made up your mind about a group about which you know nothing. You've decided what you want to hear and don't care to hear suggestion that go against your prejudices.
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