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post #1 of 34 Old 09-13-2019, 08:43 AM Thread Starter
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Proud Cut Gelding

I recently acquired an 8yr old AQHA gelding. He was a stud up until a month before I purchased him. Sweet disposition but, he mounts my mare. Will this tendency fade out or not. I can keep him separate in the summer but, all my horses winter together. I’m not sure it’s worth keeping him. There are other mares that he will winter with also. Please any advice would be great.
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post #2 of 34 Old 09-13-2019, 09:05 AM
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Yes, it eventually goes away in all but rare cases. I have a stud that was gelded at 7 years old or so because he threw short foals. Great riding horse though so he got gelded and it takes a while for their hormones to adjust to gelding and settle down. My vet had some formula for how many months he had been a stud that allowed him to calculate how many months approx until his hormones balanced out. Unfortunately as he is 13 now I don't remember anymore exactly how long it took. However, it does balance out eventually. I pasture him with his buddy now days who is an ancient retired mare. He has never tried to mount her. Picture of him for reference, you can kind of see he is muscled and built like a stud not like a gelding that was cut early on. I use him as a riding horse for my girls now because he is so stinking gentle and friendly.
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If he were truly "proud cut" which is unlikely, it would never ever go away. A human male vasectomy is a proud cut human.


That said, I know of one horse that was gelded late in life that after 10 years still takes possession of mares in heat and not allowing any other gelding within distance of her.


So I guess it "depends".
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IThat said, I know of one horse that was gelded late in life that after 10 years still takes possession of mares in heat and not allowing any other gelding within distance of her.


So I guess it "depends".
And then there are geldings like mine who even though they were gelded on time 20 years ago, they will still occasionally mount the right mare that is equally as pushy for it.

I often went to horse shows with a friend that owned a mare that was insistent that she needed to be bred by any horse that she fancied, and my gelding was insistent enough that he still had his manhood. After we returned to the trailer one day and the horses were on the opposite sides of each other than where we tied them, the pieces were put together about what had happened, and they were tied on opposite sides of the trailer from then on out.

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A lot of geldings, even those cut a youngsters, will mount willing mares. Some horses gelded after being breeding stallions never do. Age of gelding doesn't have much to do with it.


If your horse really is 'proud cut' (incomplete gelding) that's a different thing entirely.
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If he were truly "proud cut" which is unlikely, it would never ever go away. A human male vasectomy is a proud cut human.


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Really? A vasectomy just severs the line for the sperm to exit the testicles. the hormones produced there are still available to the human male, right?
Is that what happens with a 'proud cut' male horse? Aren't the testicles fully removed?
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I have a young cut gelding that will mount any mare that asks for it. I have a later cut gelding that I am still waiting to let go of his studly acts. I have been waiting almost 3 years now, and I'm giving up hope. I can keep the early cut gelding grouped with mares during the winter since they are not cycling and constantly begging to be bred. The late cut gelding I have kept by himself since he will attack any other geldings. A few weeks ago I tried again to turn him out with another gelding in their own pasture. Everything was going well until the mares came down for water that evening. They were within sight and sound, then chaos broke out. Nope. Back to only lonely.
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That is one thing with my late cut gelding, I don't put him in with just other geldings either as he is super sweet to people but he has injured one of my other gelding by attacking him. Thankfully the bruises healed but I don't keep him with other geldings now. He is fine when being ridden around other horses but when in pasture the dynamics are different and he is too aggressive towards other male horses.

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Really? A vasectomy just severs the line for the sperm to exit the testicles. the hormones produced there are still available to the human male, right?
Is that what happens with a 'proud cut' male horse? Aren't the testicles fully removed?

If the testicles are completely removed, they could not be proud cut to my understanding. There are other nerves or glands or whatever, never researched, that allow an erection. If the testicles are completely removed, an erection can no longer occur. Hence, no longer, uh, proud.


Feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong. I just sort of concluded somehow that since the testicles are left intact in a vasectomy that the "proud" factor would be lost if fully removed. This was fully discussed by me and a few bothers-in-law 40 years ago but I've slept since then and don't remember all the de-tails.

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I had a 16 yr old gelding who was cut on time (not proud cut according to the vet which I believe means they allow the males to keep their testicles enough to develop the muscle mass of a stud and then geld him so he looks like a stud but is not capable of breeding). However, my gelding, who did not have the muscle mass, was still able to mount AND penetrate an insistent in-heat mare. This is what led to my question to the vet of him being proud cut. The vet said that they are still males and some still act like intact males even when they are gelded.
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