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post #1 of 26 Old 05-26-2018, 03:13 AM Thread Starter
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Question Question about pony rides.

How cute, sweet, American, innocent and old-fashioned! Pony rides for children like when I was five myself!
.....BUT do the ponies really mind making the little children laugh with joy all day long?
The ones at the San Francisco Zoo were hooked up to some round whirlygig thing and walked slow
around in circles. They did not trot.

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Here's PETA's position on horseback riding in general:
https://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/...seback-riding/

In a perfect world, horses would be free to pursue their own lives and humans wouldn’t make demands of them. They’re herd animals who in nature, associate with other members of their large groups, graze in meadows, travel great distances, play, and engage in courtship behavior. They have needs, wants, and interests that are entirely independent from what humans ask and expect from them.

If we look honestly at our relationship with horses, we must acknowledge that the decision to take part in horseback riding is made solely by one individual with little benefit to and no input from the other.

Ren Hurst, author of Riding on the Power of Others: A Horsewoman’s Path to Unconditional Love, calls for an end to horseback riding, saying, “[W]e have this fundamental responsibility to not take advantage” of animals who have no control over whether or not they live with humans. It’s a new concept that’s evolving as our mindsets do, but the fundamental premise is a simple one: We can and must challenge our old patterns of thinking if we want to treat animals ethically—not as subservient to us but as our equals.

Horses deserve to live their lives as nature intended. We can connect with horses in our care and have a meaningful and mutually beneficial relationship with these sensitive animals without climbing on top of them.
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It is a good question - I am a new horse owner of nearly 6 months (woo!) and I question myself all the time about what makes her happy. I worked at a RDA yard with over 40 horses (riding for the disabled). Each horse would have 3 lessons a day mon-fri and since it was therapy for some severely both mentally and physically disabled children. The work wasn't exciting for the horse by a long shot and could be challenging for both horse and helper. They did their jobs, as was their temperament for, but they often just seemed to tolerate it at best desperate to get back to the fields, much like the ponies in the vid appear. What WAS cool though was that they were scheduled for at least 1 ride every fortnight with a member of staff. Most of them really enjoyed these rides, being allowed to canter/gallop out on the trail and even do some jumping. The centre rented out it's arena for shows and a lot of staff participated in the show on the horses that enjoyed it. Then we had the very high functioning RDA riders.. there were some horses who absolutely adored working regularly with these riders and excelled at communicating under saddle, keeping their rider safe and adjusting to their balance. I saw a rider one begin to go sideways and the horse began trying to "catch" them by go sideways in that direction. She still fell but it was the ONLY TIME I have ever seen that behaviour and I could not believe my eyes. But I could be over doing with the anthropomorphism there xD

Reality is though if everyone stopped riding and driving (and using for agriculture) all horses many are just going to die. Yes, hundreds of years ago WE, HUMANS, created a society where horses need a purpose to just be allowed to live. No argument there. So now, we have this society and it is up to the rest of us to try find a balance. I personally think that part of that balance is said relationship with a horse. I don't doubt for a second there are horses that ENJOY sharing their speed and athleticism with us, showing off their skills for the praise and wonder we bestow them. Not to mention the food... and the grooming... and the care of their boo boos, hooves and teeth. There are some horses who will tolerate arena work and others that despise it. Some horses love it. So since we can agree that horses must have a purpose within our society it's up to US to advocate their happiness to the best of our ability. If I was told it was illegal to ride horses tomorrow I would still keep my baby out in the fields and take care of her. There are PLENTY of people though who would never entertain the thought of owning a horse "just because".
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You will find that any time you invoke PETA, the majority of people seriously involved in animal breeding, training, and keeping will label you as either naïve person who has not done their homework, or a dangerous weirdo to be avoided at all costs.

I'm one of them, and due to your other posts, am consigning you to the first category and thinking you are just naïve.
PETA is an organization of extremely dubious moral standing which has done incalculable damage to animals and to humans. They are truly horrible. Almost nothing they say is true. They are the terrorist arm of the ASPCA, which is no longer a humanitarian organization (unlike local SPCA's by the way).

That said, the question of the role of domestic animals, and our relationships with them, is always worth asking, in this age of an abyssal divide between enormous-scale industrialized animal production on one hand and the complete absence of all human-animal interactions other than household pets on the other.

Until just before yesterday, human beings interacted with all sorts of other animals, domestic and wild, on a constant basis. We lived with them, we ate them, used their eggs, skins, milk, we taught them things and they taught us, we used them, and they used us, we watched them -- and they watched us. Not any more. This weird anomalous state of being has given rise to such monstrosities as chickens which are all breast meat, cows which are milk factories for a couple years and then slaughtered, stockyards that pollute the air and water for square miles -- and PETA and its ilk.

Crazy crazy world.

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The ponies all look very well, boredom would be the biggest factor.

As for PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals?) They kill way more dogs and cats relinquished to their shelters than any other rescue society.
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there were some horses who absolutely adored working regularly with these riders and excelled at communicating under saddle, keeping their rider safe and adjusting to their balance. I saw a rider one begin to go sideways and the horse began trying to "catch" them by go sideways in that direction. She still fell but it was the ONLY TIME I have ever seen that behaviour and I could not believe my eyes. But I could be over doing with the anthropomorphism there xD
Just like us, there are selfish and daring horses and unselfish and caring horses. Some of it is also conditioned in the caring horse's mind. My mare has stopped couple times in the past if I lost a stirrup. Quite the change from a horse who would bolt if a loose stirrup touched her side!
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All depends on how those ponies are kept. It seems like you're just trying to stir the pot here, but given that you have dogs and are disabled (though I realize they're not seeing-eye dogs, but PETA's position is pretty similar on any service dogs since they don't think dogs should have to serve people), you might like to read up on PETA's stance on service dogs:

"...we oppose most seeing-eye-dog programs because the dogs are bred as if there are no equally intelligent dogs literally dying for homes in shelters, they are kept in harnesses almost 24/7, people are prohibited from petting or playing with them and they cannot romp and run and interact with other dogs; and their lives are repeatedly disrupted (they are trained for months in one home and bond, then sent to a second, and after years of bonding with the person they have “served,” they are whisked away again because they are old and no longer “useful”). We have a member who is blind who actually moved states to avoid “returning” her beloved dog. We feel that the human community should do more to support blind people, and give dogs a break. A deaf person can see if a dog has a medical issue such as blood in her urine, a blind person living alone cannot, and so on."

https://www.peta.org/issues/animal-c...anion-animals/

https://www.peta.org/issues/animal-c...anion-animals/

Essentially, they say people should help disabled people, and that it's not fair to the dog. Also, that they should get vacation time, and only work 8 hour days like people. I sure hope you aren't expecting your German Shepards to have therapeutic value 24/7.
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The ponies all look very well, boredom would be the biggest factor.

As for PETA (People Eating Tasty Animals?) They kill way more dogs and cats relinquished to their shelters than any other rescue society.

I suppose that if the ponies did not like doing their work, they would balk at it.
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I suppose that if the ponies did not like doing their work, they would balk at it.
No. In general horses will put up with a great deal and try to do right even if it is boring or rather nasty.

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When horses can no longer be ridden, they will become extinct. Which do you like better?

A friend at work who has never been on a horse asked me one day if horses like to be ridden. I told him my old horse likes to stand in his pasture and his old owner likes to sit as his desk, but when we get together we both seem to be having a good time.
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