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post #1 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 01:46 AM Thread Starter
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Was she right about all this? I feel REALLY DUMB

I've been on the hunt for a horse, and today went and looked at a couple while I was in the big city (I am a small town girl, so when I go to the bigggg city it's a big event. lol)
The second horse, the lady owns a boarding stable, and gives lessons. The mare I was looking at...I later found out she'd had for only three weeks..hm...wonder whyyy...
Anyways, immeaditly got a weird vibe from this lady. I asked her what the horse's name was, she just stared at me and said, "i sent you a scan of her papers didnt I?" I thought yeah, but the horses name was like 20 characters long, that's not exactly a call name. Then she put a martengale on the horse, and rode her for like a second and then told me I could ride. As soon as I got on, she yelled, "FEET DOWN LIKE THIS" and came over and repositioned my feet. Telling me my legs were too close to the horse and the "Gas pedal" and my heels needed to be down like this (I can understand taht, but it literally was making my feet, hurrrrttt). Then she told me I didnt have hold of the reins tight enough, and then finally, "Well I thought you;'d ridden more." I just lookeda t her.
Later when we went to turn the horse back in her stall, she told me, "NEVER leave a halter on a horse. They can hang themselves. Ive seen horses hang a back leg through a halter." I've never heard of that, and honestly, houw do you halter break a baby if you can't leave a halter on it? We left a halter on my show steer for MONTHS to gentle him slow, and aside from making it filthy, he never minded or decapitated himself with it!
Now I come home and feel like an idiot. Was everything she said TRUE or did she just want to make me feel like even more of a noob than I already am?
Also she yelled to me, "The kiss sound is a CANTER CUE! DON'T DO THAT! THE HORSE WILL TAKE OFF INTO A CANTER!" I'd never heard that before. Is that true? I'd always thought that depended on training, and that noise was more of a "accelerate" hint to the horse than a direct cue to run.
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post #2 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 03:20 AM
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I can't address your riding position.

I do believe that it is dangerous to leave a halter on a horse. Not only can they get that back foot hung up while they are scratching their faces, but they can also get it hung up on other things and seriously hurt themselves trying to get free. Some people do leave their halters on all the time, I just see no need for the added risk. If I had to leave one on, I'd make sure it was a breakaway.

I can't speak for how everyone trains their horses to the kiss cue. For my own horse, when he is walking and I want him to do a running walk, I first use leg cues and then if he chooses to ignore me, I will kiss to him. If he ignores the kiss he gets spanked with the rein. What I am trying to say in my very long-winded way (sorry), to my horse, the kiss does not mean take off into a canter. It means I was not happy with how he responded to what I asked and that he better get to where I want him to be immediately. I will also use the kiss when asking for the canter..but only when my first cues have failed to get the proper response.

I'm not sure how much experience with horses you have. If you don't have very much, then I would highly recommend taking riding lessons for a while. They are a lot of fun and very educational.

You made the statement that you are a noob. That tells me that you do not need to go horse shopping alone. Is there someone more experienced that can go with you and help you find a horse that is suited to your needs? Many horse dealers (not all, but many) can be very crafty selling horses. You would be amazed at how quickly you can go from feeling as though you love your new horse and that he is perfect for you, to being face down in the dirt wondering how it all went so wrong.
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post #3 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 07:56 AM
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Totally agree with Sandy. If you are going to leave a halter on, it should be a breakaway.

You absolutely should take someone more experienced with you. For many reasons, it is a huge help, another set of eyes and brain cells is always a good thing.

Sounds to me like you would benefit from more lessons.....just to gain more experience all the way around.

I have leanred since I started riding Western after years of English, that many western riders, at least in my area, train their horses that a cluck is for trot, kiss for canter. So, perhaps that is what this lady is talking about. Regardless, you were not there for a lesson, but to try a horse. Unless you were doing something that could endanger yourself or the horse, or you asked, she should have kept her mouth shut. after all, she is not going home with you, and you should be able to ride the horse by yourself, or it is not the one for you!

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post #4 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 08:51 AM
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okay so that person that you went to see the horse, STUPID. obviously, she has no good nolidge. if i were you i would have jumped off the horse after her making your feet hurt, i would have simply gave her the reins of her horse and walked away. she is stupid and no horse that you migh buy is worth her confusing you and making you feel dumb.
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post #5 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 09:07 AM
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She was putting your heels down? That is correct. Heels are your shock absorbers so they should be at an angle, which DOES hurt when you first start to do it--it will eventually become muscle memory. Also, a lot of people train their horses so cluck=trot and kiss=canter. And no, IMO, a halter shouldn't be left on an unsupervised horse. Was this lady rude? Yes. But wrong? No.
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post #6 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 09:20 AM
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Is it possible that you overstated your riding experience when you set up the appointment to look at the horse? You seem to have been surprised by some things that are fairly common in the horse world.

Now, I agree that the lady seemed abrupt and rude in your description, but she may have been annoyed because she felt you were wasting her time and that you weren't a serious buyer.

I second the suggestion to take someone with you when you go to look at horses. If you're not already taking lessons, now would be a good time. Get an instructor to give you an honest assessment of your riding ability and some advice about what type of horse you need.
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Sounds like you were riding a highly trained horse incorrectly and wrong cues can make for a bad ride...ie accident

As far as the halter goes... I NEVER leave a halter on a horse. We have halter broke our babies and it takes time but it is not due to leaving them in a halter....
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The halter thing...until I got on this forum, we have always left halters on our horses, and we still do for the most part. We have never ever had a halter-related injury. I'm probably going to get chewed out for this -.- but I see no huge problem with leaving the halter on. Everyone can do what they want, and some choose to take the halter off, some choose to leave it on.

Generally, cluck means trot, and canter means kiss, but you are right, it all depends on how the horse was trained (evidently, the horse you rode was trained so kiss=canter).

I'm gonna throw a suggestion out there: you might want to consider getting an old, schoolmaster type of horse for your first. No offense intended, but if you are still a "noob" and have a lot to learn, generally speaking an old, well-trained horse could teach you better than a young one.

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post #9 of 27 Old 10-03-2010, 11:04 AM
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I would suggest you lease a horse or taking some lessons before you buy. I know owning your own horse is exciting but there is a time for it. Everyone has different opinions in the horse world. I don't leave halters on my horses because I don't want them to get hung up in something and I hate searching pastures for lost halters.
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1.) I would love to have someone more experienced along with me, but in the realm that I don't know anyone who's such, and am rather broke and cant afford to pay someone to come with me, its not an option.
2.) I'm not complete noob. At all. We've had...let me count..10 horses since I was little. Some I rode, some were lawn ordaments. Some were too much, some were dead heads, some were little angels. But I haven't ridden consistently in well over a year. And even then, it wasnt TOO consistent. It's been like..THREE since I was riding several times a week. And I WAS smaller then. Im taller now, and things that once seemd to work as a midget now feel awkward that Im bigger too.
3.) I took lessons. From a cowboy friend-of-a-friend. Granted, that was back when dinosaurs still roamed the earth (okay, okay, not that long ago) He never said anythinga bout heels. Keeping your lower leg away from the horse, yes, and keep your feet so you could lean back, but nothing specific about techniquw. More about just getting on, going, building miles, and reading the individual horse's body language and quirks to learn from.
4.) I've been in horse project in 4-H for a couple years, and was never corrected at a riding practice about my feet or cues. I never was told anything different.
5.) I NEVER represented myself as an experienced rider when I was talking to her on the phone about the horse. In fact, I asked if the horse would be suitable for someone who is definitely NOT an experienced rider, and she was all "yes yes yes definitely"
I was glad the lady gave me the tips she did But kind of curious..she's only had that mare 3 weeks, and only ridden her once a week..So how does she know what commands she has/hasnt been trained to? And THANK YOU, FOR THE AWESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOME ADVICE ON THIS FORUM: I've learned more from the people here's tips and advice then most of the books I read! You guys are AWESOME! hehe

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