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post #21 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 01:08 AM
 
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You said at the time when you test rode the horse that she was in fact harder to get in to a trot, did she seemed doped up at all? Like more droopier or lazier?
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post #22 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 01:30 AM Thread Starter
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Not really. I mean the guy rode her pretty roughly. I got a video of it. She didn't seemed out of it or droopy especially with the way he rode her. She had no issues with her trot minus just needing to be pushed more to get into it. The past week and half shes just been down right horrible about it. We also got a video of her now but my instructor has failed to load it up tonight like I asked >.<.


The guy whose riding her is what has cause all these issues. He rides like hes riding for his life. Shes always got her head jacked up into my lap. Shes gotten good with the walk like I said. Shes started to really relax for me there but the trot is just a mess and canter isn't any better.

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post #23 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 04:43 AM
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I sold a nice horse once. I fully explained what he was like, he never once bucked or anything like that, ect ect ect. Months later the buyer emailed me yelling at me that the horse is rearing ect with their trainer, that I lied, blah blah. I did NOT. I am NOT responsible for what happens in his life/training after he leaves. I have no idea what the "trainer" did to cause the bucking issues, but in the 7 years I owned him (since a yearling), never once did he do that. I was 100% honest with the buyer, but she did not believe me.

Horses are living, breathing beings, with a will of their own. Often times the DO change. Maybe the seller lied, maybe not. You agreed to pay $1000, you checked out the horse, IMO you DO need to pay the rest, UNLESS the seller is super nice and agrees to take less. I wouldn't if I were them. I MIGHT offer your $500 back and take the horse back. MAYBE. Not if I was honest about the horse's training ect and now the horse is bad, I'd wonder what you did to cause that (I am NOT saying this is the case or that you did anything, it's just what I would think if I were in the seller's shoes). I would offer to take back the horse with no refund.

Bill of sales are very important, clearly stating everything. They're important for both the buyer and the seller. Even when I BUY a horse, I bring one in case the seller doesn't have one. Two copies, one for me, one for them.
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post #24 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 09:41 AM Thread Starter
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Thats the whole thing though, we havn't done ANYTHING that would cause any horse to misbehave. The first few weeks were basic walking and bending for suppleing and then we moved to trot and had this issue.
Shes supposed to be a deadbroke horse. I'm supposed to be able to make a few minor mistakes (such as I don't post well yet, or my position isn't right on the dot) and not have a completely screwed up horse because of it. It was the whole purpose for getting a dead broke horse was so that I could learn on her and they knew that.
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post #25 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 09:49 AM
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Honestly, at this point, your only hope of resolution that does not involve paying the remaining balance is to return the horse and attempt to collect the $500 you have already paid. Which, since she is NOT the horse you need/wanted, is probably the best bet.
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post #26 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 09:59 AM Thread Starter
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I do want her. My instructor thinks that with a few months of consistent work, we can fix her issues. I'm just upset that things weren't as they said. I was under the impression I could I hop up walk, trot and canter without very many issues.

I'm going to ask if they would take less for her due to the amount of training and the fact that shes not what they said she was.

The whole..her being a cow horse even seems hard to believe. She spooked at a cow mooing across the road yesterday and I have 3 other people who witnessed it. What cow horse spooks at a moo?
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post #27 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 10:53 AM
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I think you are in a pickle.

I am 100% by Spyder, she is absolutely correct and I think this is not only a learning lesson for you, but for others out there who are reading this thread.

ALWAYS get a written contract stating the price of the horse, and always ensure that the sellers write what has been paid.

You made the agreement at the start. You said yes to their asking price and they trusted you to keep your word and allowed you to bring the horse home with you.

If it were I selling the horse, I would not of allowed the horse to leave my property until fully paid, so you were lucky on that end.

I think your best bet right now, is to take the contract and the video's to a civil law lawyer and see what can be done.

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post #28 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 11:20 AM
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Not really. I mean the guy rode her pretty roughly. I got a video of it. She didn't seemed out of it or droopy especially with the way he rode her. She had no issues with her trot minus just needing to be pushed more to get into it. The past week and half shes just been down right horrible about it. We also got a video of her now but my instructor has failed to load it up tonight like I asked >.<.

YouTube - Duchess 0001

The guy whose riding her is what has cause all these issues. He rides like hes riding for his life. Shes always got her head jacked up into my lap. Shes gotten good with the walk like I said. Shes started to really relax for me there but the trot is just a mess and canter isn't any better.
See this is why you should bring an experienced person with you when you look at horses.

If I were there I would never have recommended this horse. In spite of the rider she is NOT DEAD BROKE AT ALL !!!

The handler is first clueless about safety. Having the horse half saddled without being secured (tied) is positively an accident waiting to happen. what if the horse spooked before the saddle was fully secured.

The ridden part clearly shows the rider can't ride (stay on yes but not much more) and that he had no idea what to do with gaites that were not under control. The standing on the horse shows me he is a jacka$$ as it is only idiots do that to show off.

The bit clearly is uncomfortable for the horse and is the only thing stopping her from taking off.

I see all this and you should have or had someone with you that should have.

Personally at the time of the video with the market as it is ....and if you trully wanted this horse $500.00 is the maximum you should have paid.
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post #29 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 12:52 PM
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All that being said, the way I see it is that you have several choices.

The first is that you pay the difference.

The second is that you return the horse and loose all (or part) of your money and chalk it up to experience.

Next is that you sell the horse yourself and get the one you expected to have with this one - prices are even lower now that winter is coming

Lastly, talk to the seller. The problem with that is, judging from your video, he isn't going to do anything for you and will probably blame you for the way the horse is.

There is always the option of keeping and pouring money into him but at 13, and you being a green rider, is the worse option.

Personally I would try to return the horse and collect as much money back as possible. If I got nothing back it would still be cheaper then keeping him. You would be ahead by the $500 you didn't pay him and also the training fees and board. Use the $500 and training fees to find the right horse.

BTW, I agree with Spyder - this was/is the wrong horse for you.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.


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post #30 of 45 Old 10-19-2009, 01:43 PM
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This is the time of year that people try and get rid of horses, so you aren't gonna get much out of horse like that. I would keep the horse and pay what you owe or give him back and ask for a refund. If you do give him back, you can probably find a good horse at a very reasonable price.
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