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post #31 of 45 Old 10-20-2009, 01:53 PM
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I Know Absoultly Nothing About Western Riding But That Bit Is Digusting! Your Man Is Sawing Her In The Mouth The 1st Time He Asked Her 2 Back Up!

No Wonder The Poor Horse Rears And Doesnt Accpet The Bit!
Maye if you Get Her A Nice Snaffle With Copper On It Or Something Like That!( I Dunno If You Use Them In Western?)

Woah Huuge Difference Whenever You Got On Her!

Id Say Shes Acting Up Because Of All The Pulling In The mouth She Got From The Old Owner!
She Doesnt Seem At All Happy In Her Mouth.

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post #32 of 45 Old 10-20-2009, 02:11 PM
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See this is why you should bring an experienced person with you when you look at horses.

If I were there I would never have recommended this horse. In spite of the rider she is NOT DEAD BROKE AT ALL !!!

The handler is first clueless about safety. Having the horse half saddled without being secured (tied) is positively an accident waiting to happen. what if the horse spooked before the saddle was fully secured.

The ridden part clearly shows the rider can't ride (stay on yes but not much more) and that he had no idea what to do with gaites that were not under control. The standing on the horse shows me he is a jacka$$ as it is only idiots do that to show off.

The bit clearly is uncomfortable for the horse and is the only thing stopping her from taking off.

I see all this and you should have or had someone with you that should have.

Personally at the time of the video with the market as it is ....and if you trully wanted this horse $500.00 is the maximum you should have paid.
Couldn't agree more.
I was shocked right from the get-go. Saddling a horse without some kind of rope is downright stupid. Denny ground-ties, but I sure as heck have a rope on him so I don't have to go flying towards his face if he decides to step forwards, see how that mare is starting to get a bit of a wild eye the more he snatches at her halter to get her to stand still?
This guy is an idiot. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER (!!!!!!!!!!!!) do your breastcollar up before your cinch! EVER! Can I stress that one more time? If that mare had stepped forwards or shook or done anything but be a saint and stand still, the saddle would have only been attached around her neck (!!!!!!) by a breastcollar!!
Personally, I would have walked away right there.
"She's parked out, she won't move till I tell her" - obviously that wasn't true as she moved when he went to mount up. I didn't see any cue from him. Beyond that, she "parked out" when he reefed on her cinch, that is not something he taught her, that is something she did out of reflex for her balance, and he made an excuse for it.
This is NOT a dead broke horse, this is NOT a bombproof horse, and you can tell that within the first few seconds of him stepping up on her. First off, he says "usually I lunge her" -- red flag. A deadbroke horse should NOT need to be lunged. Secondly, as soon as he steps on, she fights, she is skittish, she is scared, and he quickly diffuses the situation by putting her in "neutral" and talks his way out of it.
Then she trots off.
No, a deadbroke (or even well-broke.. or even... hell I expect my green broke horses to step out into a walk, not a trot) horse should walk off.

I didn't watch any more of the video because it was hurting my head.

Like MIE said, you're in a pickle. The guy lied to you. The guy now has half your money, and technically since you agreed to take the horse, I think you might be SOL.
Try talking to the previous owner, but if he is as special as he sounds, he's likely to say "give me the rest of my money, and send her to the meatworks." You heard him in the video, a horse is just a horse to him, he couldn't care less.
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post #33 of 45 Old 10-20-2009, 02:19 PM
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They broke the contract first by not accuratly advertising her. If you are selling something it is on you to make sure that what you are advertising is what you are selling.
Well - that is a murky point also.

I would assume the buyer tried the horse and then agreed to buy it . . .
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post #34 of 45 Old 10-20-2009, 02:34 PM
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Well - that is a murky point also.

I would assume the buyer tried the horse and then agreed to buy it . . .
Exactly. Except in cases where it is stipulated in the contract that the horse is sold with a trial period, or is represented in a certain fashion, the OP is SOL.
It is so hard to say what was accurately represented as well. Not to go against the OP, but we are only hearing one side of the story. It is obvious to a well-trained eye that this horse was not bombproof or a horse for a beginner of novice. For all we know, the OP fell head over heels for her, and was blinded by that judgement.
For instance, I once sold a horse on behalf of a dude ranch. This horse was honest-to-God the nearest to Kidproof I've seen in a long while. The kid and the horse seemed to be a match made in Heaven. A month later the mother called me demanding a refund. The horse had started bucking, and acting up. I told her to bring the horse by and we'd see what we could do. The horse was malnourished, had whip marks all over him, needle tracks, rope burns, and was all kinds of lame. I took him back out of pity, but needless to say they did something to him and he wasn't the same horse.
Personally, I don't see the seller wanting any part in this horse anymore other than for the rest of his money.
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I agree with Spyder and JDI ... after watching that video there is NO WAY that horse is broke, let alone for a beginner. My 6 yr old ottb and 7 yr old qh who aren't finished are WAY better then that horse and i am still training them.

Why didn't you have your trainer come see the horse with you? Did you show your trainer that video? If so i would be concerned about the trainers knowledge because like stated, that is not a beginner horse.

Talk to the owner and see if you can get money knocked off but if that is how the horse behaved with you there watching and you were ok with it, then you kind of sealed your own fate :(

I wish you the best luck and i hope that you can get your girl chilled out and working for you

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Since I mentioned that I had a video as proof of what she is doing I might as well link the other thread here.

This is the link to her recent riding videos.

https://www.horseforum.com/horse-trai...p-video-38563/
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post #37 of 45 Old 10-20-2009, 04:18 PM
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Since I mentioned that I had a video as proof of what she is doing I might as well link the other thread here.

This is the link to her recent riding videos.

https://www.horseforum.com/horse-trai...p-video-38563/
The problem is that many of us can see the beginnings of that in the video you posted on this thread. I'm really sorry, but you were duped into thinking this was the perfect horse for you.
The guy in the video is an idiot, but he's also quick on his feet. "She's acting up because I didn't lunge her first" is a red flag. "She parks out like that and stands for hours" is a red flag, and as we found out, is not true. "First thing I do when I get on her is flex her head like this" is a red flag in this instance, because he's not just flexing her head, he's got her disengaging because he can feel her start to act up. He doesn't correct her when she moves out into a trot instead of a walk - probably because she'd've gotten sour and acted out even more.
We all make mistakes in the horse world, we all buy horses that aren't 100% right for us. Learn from this mistake - now you know to ask more questions, not take things for what they seem, and take someone along who is much more experienced who can see these red flags and warn you. It's sad that there are people out there who are so focused on money they won't say "no, this horse is a bad match."

That you have this misbehavior on video before you bought her would just tell someone "you saw what she's like, she is misbehaving, and you decided to take a chance on her anyways."
Though this isn't the whole truth, it's what the video would tell me if I was an impartial person on a "jury."

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Im gonna have to agree wiht JDI and Spyder. Unfortunatly i think you got ripped off. I would just pay the rest of the money and hopefully like your trainer said, maybe you can fix her problems.

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in the video she isn't rearing .. she is throwing a fit ... but again she isn't a beginner horse by any means!

do you have the means to send her off to a trainer to get a good foundation on her so that you can build a good relationship and learn more with her once she is responsive?

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See this is why you should bring an experienced person with you when you look at horses.

If I were there I would never have recommended this horse. In spite of the rider she is NOT DEAD BROKE AT ALL !!!

The handler is first clueless about safety. Having the horse half saddled without being secured (tied) is positively an accident waiting to happen. what if the horse spooked before the saddle was fully secured.

The ridden part clearly shows the rider can't ride (stay on yes but not much more) and that he had no idea what to do with gaites that were not under control. The standing on the horse shows me he is a jacka$$ as it is only idiots do that to show off.

The bit clearly is uncomfortable for the horse and is the only thing stopping her from taking off.

I see all this and you should have or had someone with you that should have.

Personally at the time of the video with the market as it is ....and if you trully wanted this horse $500.00 is the maximum you should have paid.


Exactly. You have learned an expensive lesson. Most of us have learned that same lesson a very similar way. If you are buying a car or a horse or a house make sure you have a contract and have the item inspected by an expert. Welcome to the real world. Take your lumps and pay the price you agreed to. The problem with the videos is that it shows how she acted yet you still bought her I don't think they would be much help in court.

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