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post #41 of 48 Old 10-17-2009, 09:06 PM
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I think you did the right thing. He got in your space so you backed him out. No slap you do to him will hurt him. If he did that to the lead mare he would have gotten a full kick.
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post #42 of 48 Old 10-17-2009, 09:13 PM
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who said/thought/ implied they were dogs ?
You did sweetie, how you typed this out totally came across as that in my mind:

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you want your horse to repect the fact that if you stand them somewhere they stand. and if you are around their legs they dont move them !
Sorry, but horses are not dogs.

You teach a dog to sit and stay, as long as you want until you give the sign for them to move. They will comply happily. You teach a dog to lay down and stay put, until again, you give them the command to come - they will comply. You teach a dog to sit pretty and not move a muscle while you balance a cookie on their nose, they will comply.

A horse, you cannot, nor will not teach to not move a muscle while you work around their legs. Absolutely rediculous to even conceive. Again, horses are not dogs.

You cannot expect your horse to stand still everytime you expect him to and how unfair for anyone to demand that out of their horse.

I can see pacing or pawing in cross ties or while you are trying to tack him up or mount - but standing perfectly still while you work with his legs - absolutely perposterous.

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horses are happy with clear boundries, even if some people thinks its too harsh, clear boundries are key. it would be one thing if you let him itch all the time & then bam flip **** on him once. but if thats a rule you have with him hes gotta do it
Sorry, I disagree. How ignorant to say that your horse isn't allowed to scratch when he is itchy.

How would you feel if you weren't permitted to scratch an annoying itch, or aren't allowed to swipe at a pesty biting fly on your arm or neck? Wow........

When I lead my horse from pasture to the barn, if he has to reach back and bite at a fly, damned right's I will permit him to do so. If he has to scratch or kick at a bug bothering him, damned right's he will be allowed to do so.

I do not control him to that limit.

My horse is not allowed to bite. Not allowed to pin his ears back at me, my horse is not allowed to turn his butt to me, nor kick or swipe at me. It is not acceptable if he bolts, rears, bucks.

I show respect for my horse, and he shows respect for me. I work with issues patiently, quietly and persistantly.

I never hit him, nor will. Trust me, I had a hand full when I got him 2 years ago, but we worked through it together through patience, respect and consistancy and time.

I guess my boundaries aren't as strict as some.

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Patience with your horse in you fosters patience for you in them... if that makes sense. He'll learn.
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post #43 of 48 Old 10-17-2009, 09:23 PM
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He is sooo gorgeous. :) Sorry that that happened, hope that the bruise goes away soon and it's not too bad. Babies acan be annoying.. but then again, they are babbies. And they sure are entertaining.. ;) We had a filly and two colts down in VA this summer and they are so adorable

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He is sooo gorgeous. :) Sorry that that happened, hope that the bruise goes away soon and it's not too bad. Babies acan be annoying.. but then again, they are babbies. And they sure are entertaining.. ;) We had a filly and two colts down in VA this summer and they are so adorable
Thanks! Yeah, he is funny. I love him, but he's such a dork. He gets off in space sometimes and will just walk into a solid wall without noticing, lol (no it is not an eye problem) He is so cute though! A few weeks ago I was making him wait for his food while I hung up the bucket and he reached across the stall with his big ol' nose and nickered right in my face! It was so funny, I just started cracking up
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post #45 of 48 Old 10-17-2009, 10:44 PM
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You did sweetie, how you typed this out totally came across as that in my mind:



Sorry, but horses are not dogs.

You teach a dog to sit and stay, as long as you want until you give the sign for them to move. They will comply happily. You teach a dog to lay down and stay put, until again, you give them the command to come - they will comply. You teach a dog to sit pretty and not move a muscle while you balance a cookie on their nose, they will comply.

A horse, you cannot, nor will not teach to not move a muscle while you work around their legs. Absolutely rediculous to even conceive. Again, horses are not dogs.

You cannot expect your horse to stand still everytime you expect him to and how unfair for anyone to demand that out of their horse.

I can see pacing or pawing in cross ties or while you are trying to tack him up or mount - but standing perfectly still while you work with his legs - absolutely perposterous.



Sorry, I disagree. How ignorant to say that your horse isn't allowed to scratch when he is itchy.

How would you feel if you weren't permitted to scratch an annoying itch, or aren't allowed to swipe at a pesty biting fly on your arm or neck? Wow........

When I lead my horse from pasture to the barn, if he has to reach back and bite at a fly, damned right's I will permit him to do so. If he has to scratch or kick at a bug bothering him, damned right's he will be allowed to do so.

I do not control him to that limit.

My horse is not allowed to bite. Not allowed to pin his ears back at me, my horse is not allowed to turn his butt to me, nor kick or swipe at me. It is not acceptable if he bolts, rears, bucks.

I show respect for my horse, and he shows respect for me. I work with issues patiently, quietly and persistantly.

I never hit him, nor will. Trust me, I had a hand full when I got him 2 years ago, but we worked through it together through patience, respect and consistancy and time.

I guess my boundaries aren't as strict as some.



Well said.
my 3yo stands ground tied with out moving an inch. she IS allowed to move her head [just not to reach for anything on the wall] & she is allowed to scratch. she is not allowed to stamp around when im down by her feet. i make a huge effort to be EXTREMELY consistant so she knows exactly what is going on. ive only ever hit her on one occasion & that was the second time she got her feet trimmed & she blew down the isle when she got bored [no she was NOT scared...he was on her last hoof] & i have a broken arm so i needed her to know immediately that that was the wrong thing to do & slapping her chest was the easiest way for me to do it in that moment. i am not big on hitting horses [trust me my other horse was abused & hit over the head & used to be TERRIFIED of people] but sometimes you have to do it & i am not against that

ps- i treat my horses how i would want to be treated...that means if im working & i have an itch i get over it. i do let them scratch, just not when they are 'working'. i will even scratch an itch for them, horses are very good at telling you where they itch with out knocking you over the head =]

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i will even scratch an itch for them, horses are very good at telling you where they itch with out knocking you over the head =]
QFT, I swear some horses will pratically point out the spot! But even if I let them itch, they don't get to rip the lead rope out of my hands or whack me with their head
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post #47 of 48 Old 10-17-2009, 10:51 PM
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QFT, I swear some horses will pratically point out the spot! But even if I let them itch, they don't get to rip the lead rope out of my hands or whack me with their head
haha my horses are all really good at it =] they are so smart, people underestimate them a lot !

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My horses know what they get when they decide not to act like adults...a slap across the muzzle!

My stock has: Hit me with there noses, HARD. Stomped on me. Pushed me. Swung into me. Kicked me. Bit me. Stepped on my feet...

One well placed smack on the nose was all it took.
I don't put up with naughty behavior, no matter how old or young. I honestly spoil and pamper my stock but they still respect me and behave in my presence. If I want a foot picked up, they pick it up and hold it. If I'm working around there legs, those legs had better be still or I'm going to get ****ed.

Right now I'm working on 'NOT crowding around me when I have the grain bucket' and I'm attempting to figure out how to keep Loki from opening the gates when he feels like it. It's actually rather useful...until he starts banging one gate into the other repeatedly...

Wait! I'll fix it....
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