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post #31 of 48 Old 04-06-2010, 07:03 PM
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What about when your currnet horses are of no further use to you? Do you plan on sending them to slaughter? You don't think they earned a respectable death? I'm not suggesting you send them off to some fancy retirement stable, but surley death at your hands on your ranch would be better than a trip through the auction house, ride in a crammed double decker and processed through a forgine slaughter house wouldn't it?
My horses have a use up until they have no quality of life. They are either riding horses, broodmares, or baby sitters. They only have no use when they can no longer be a horse. My circumstances are different than most. I don't do anything fancy but use them for riding or working cows (my other halfs). They have a longer usefulness than most. When their time comes I will shoot them and they will feed the bears.
I really have no problem with people sending their horses to slaughter. Do you cry about the old sow or ewe going to the killers? She was a loyal dependable mommy. You haven't said anything about her right to live. Unless you are a vegan I dont think you ever will. Horses are and always will be livestock. Sorry.
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post #32 of 48 Old 04-06-2010, 07:17 PM Thread Starter
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This video was posted by an anti but I think it shows a well run plant and how it should be done.
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I see happy horses, well fed, comfortable led in an unstressful environment to be shot in the head... I see nothing abusive or cruel. Great video Crimson. As has been said, none of the videos you postedktibb are pertinent to Us slaughter houses if they are of CANADIAN slaughter houses. There is no comparison. Find me a video of abuse in an AMERICAN slaughterhouse and I might be more likely to sya yes there really needs to be improvement. I know there needs to be improvement, but I do not think it is as dire as the propaganda kool aide you drink makes it out to be.

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I see happy horses, well fed, comfortable led in an unstressful environment to be shot in the head... I see nothing abusive or cruel. Great video Crimson. As has been said, none of the videos you postedktibb are pertinent to Us slaughter houses if they are of CANADIAN slaughter houses. There is no comparison. Find me a video of abuse in an AMERICAN slaughterhouse and I might be more likely to sya yes there really needs to be improvement. I know there needs to be improvement, but I do not think it is as dire as the propaganda kool aide you drink makes it out to be.
I agree, that video was much better than the canadian houses, but it wasn't of a US slaughterhouse. If my references get thrown out because they aren't domestic, then shouldn't this one as well?

I've made no arguement about domestic vs forgine, i don't know where that keeps comming from.

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[QUOTE=Crimsonhorse01;597638]My horses have a use up until they have no quality of life. They are either riding horses, broodmares, or baby sitters. They only have no use when they can no longer be a horse. My circumstances are different than most. I don't do anything fancy but use them for riding or working cows (my other halfs). They have a longer usefulness than most. When their time comes I will shoot them and they will feed the bears.QUOTE]

I see nothing at all wrong with that and I wish more owners would do the same.

Not trying to be nasty in anyway here, this is honestly curiosity: Why didn't you do the same to the others that were shipped to slaughter?

The difference is the sow and ewe is they were reaised for the purpose of being turned into food. There are guidlines that the ranchers must follow to ensure they are safe to consume. The processing plants were designed around proper kill methods. If the US slaughter houses are to re-open I surely hope they are modeled after the one depicted in the UK video.

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post #35 of 48 Old 04-06-2010, 08:30 PM
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If you can't cough up the $$ for your vet to do it, bullets are cheap and a correctly placed bullet while the animal is in a familliar place is a far more responsible option than sending it to slaughter.

Actually the captive bolt gun used for slaughter is considered by the AAEP to be more effective and thus more humane then barbiturates used to put animals to sleep. Have you ever watched an animal get put to sleep? it's not always pretty. And you'd be amazed at how many people don't know how to properly shoot their horse's in the head.

I'm curious about this arguement you have about prohibited substances (like medicine) in horses. Instead of banning slaughter altogether wouldn't it be better to have more quality control? The article you posted never actually said how many of those race horses had bute in their system the day they were actually slaughtered. (unless I missed it). How many days is required between dosage and slaughter? Because according to USEF show rules, you can only give 1 gram per 1000 lbs 12 hours prior to showing, so it doesn't enhance their performance. 12 hours is all it takes for it to run through your horse's sytem and not affect his performance. Granted it takes a while for all the residuals to run their course but I don't think of Bute as being something that lasts very long. (maybe I'm wrong) And as far as I know most horses don't get slaughtered the night of their race, correct? banning slaughter because of the possibility of having harmful substances seems like a weak argument to me.
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Haven't read the thread since page 2, but I'm pretty sure what was shown at the Canadian plants has since been corrected. I know there were cases of VERY abusive employees (immigrant employees, but that doesn't make a difference). HorseCare Magazine (HorseCare Magazine) did an investigation type deal a few years ago (I think actually they set out to prove something wrong with the kill plants) that shed a lot of light on how kill plants have evolved into places that are actually quite different then what they are perceived as.
I know there's one plant in Quebec in particular that was known as a "good place" for horses to go!
But hey, that's just me, I'm pro-horse slaughter, pro-seal hunt, a genuine carnivore, and everything else. But first and foremost an animal lover. When kill plants operate correctly, I see no problem with them.

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I live in a country where the slaughter of horses is still legal and happening. We call them 'Knackeries' or 'Doggers' - Because of the use of the meat in pet food. I actually have no idea if we produce any horse meat that is sols for human consumption. There is actually a lack of real, tangible information on Australian Horse Slaughter on the internet, apart from some PETA similar bleeding heart websites.

I wonder why that is - Are we as a country more practical? Is it not such a big issue because we don't have the massess of unwanted horses that the US does? Is it because there hasn't been as many abusive sutiations found as there have been in other countries?

I have actually never heard a news story or similar about inhumane treatment of horses at the doggers in Australia.

I just think it's very strange that this is such a big issue in the US but such a non-issue ghere. Of course the banning of the sale of horse meat for human conumption in the US has made it a big talking point, but wasn't it a talking point before that? Why don't they re-open slaughterhouses and use the meat for other purposes - Pet food, Game animal food, other by-products?

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^ Sorry, that wans't really on topic, just pondering on the cultural differences :]

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post #39 of 48 Old 04-06-2010, 09:34 PM Thread Starter
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WS, I honestly think it is all of the above, the reasons why. It is an accepted part of Australian culture, which seems to a very practical one.

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I also think it might be simply because we don't have the glut of horses that you guys do. You can send a horse to auction and as long as it is sound, good looking and sane, it will generally not go to the doggers. It's normally those horses with major conformation faults and temperament faults that are bought by the doggers. In Australia I think it is TB's that are highest on the list - Mostly the broken down ones.

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