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post #11 of 16 Old 01-26-2019, 10:01 PM
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I think if you are going to give a horse some leeway to get used to a place, you do it by FULLY giving them space. So, you don't expect them to behave perfectly, but you don't go working them . You give them the time to work it out on their own.



If you DO work with them, you expect them to have manners that are reasonably the same as they always were.


But, do one or the other, not mixing. either work with them with expectations as you've always had. OR, let them have some time to themselves, with ZERO expections and no handling. But the trouble comes when you mix things;


Etiehr they have freedom, or they don't.




Going back a bit, I'm a bit confused with regard to this statement from Cedar and Salty:

When they got through it, he went and got his rope halter and put Gus to work on the ground in the spooky place. My husband usually doesn't get too shook, but Gus was wound up. When my husband backed him up, he reared up. When my husband tried to yield his hind quarters, he nipped him on the arm. My husband, feeling sorry for poor, scared, 1300 pound Gus, didn't correct those two things.

I do not see the point, long after the fact, in bringing the horse back, on a line, and making him work hard near the thing that scares him. Why does adding pressure and fear into a horse that is already scared help him get over his spookiness? I can see, if at the time, a person rode him back and forth near the spooky thing, disallowing him to wheel and flee, that he might gain confidence, but making it into a 'punishment' sort of work, long after the moment of spooking, to me only inserts increased anxiety.
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@tinyliny , again, I totally agree. I'm a lot quicker to quit while I'm ahead. I was so grateful that Salty didn't body slam me into the gravel, I was happy to take him through the nearby obstacle course (which is an easy no brainer for him) and quit on a win.

I think my husband had good intentions, and wanted to use the situation to desensitize him in a controlled environment, but the whole situation went sideways and backfired on him.

I definitely ascribe to the saying that "you're always training your horse or untraining your horse." I was joking with my husband that our horses are like race cars... we are constantly breaking them and then figuring out how to fix them. Luckily, we have four forgiving horses who have a good foundation and try to do the right thing most of the time.

If you know of any training videos for fixing husbands, please post a link!
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post #13 of 16 Old 01-26-2019, 10:53 PM
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If you know of any training videos for fixing husbands, please post a link!





NO. my own is a hopeless case. Fortunately, horses are more forgiving than husbands.
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post #14 of 16 Old 01-26-2019, 11:38 PM
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to another farm and since she has completely changed. She now tries to kick the crap out of me and I donít know why.
I think you have to establish why, to some degree. No, I would NEVER just accept that sort of behaviour, regardless of reason, but it would depend on whether it was a genuine fear reaction as to how I'd 'correct' it & whether I'd punish it seriously. I am guessing she's more 'assertive' than fearful. But IF she's an 'edgy' horse, or has become one generally since the move and something you're doing is frightening her badly, I would not punish a 'defensive' reaction, but take the horse to somewhere she is comfortable & not on edge(or maybe extra Mg or some other 'calming supplement' to help her settle), and work with her more there, only spending short, 'easy' stints in 'scary' places, until she's more settled.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
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They were VERY spoiled and it was just the three of them at the last barn. Now this farm has 15 total but only 4 close by that the see regularly. She tried to kick me today and I wasn’t having any of it and grabbed the dressage whip. I just don’t want to be doing the wrong thing. If I need to correct her I have no problem doing that I’m all about manners and safety. They are miniatures so I do have the smaller size on my side 👌🏼
I guess my point was that she may be behaving out of character because of the change, so she needs you to be consistent now, more than ever. If you would have disciplined her for this behavior at the old barn, you should do it now too. She will do better with consistency coming from you when it seems to her like her world is turned upside down. :)
Sounds good thanks for the advice.
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New environment, new hierarchy being established...
Mare is looking for leadership, stability and you are not it to her currently so challenging you and your authority.
If this were me....
I don't care who's horse it is, the conditions of why the horse is in the environment...
You lift a hoof or snap a jaw at me you will think that the devil has just unleashed on your head...
That horse would feel and learn real fast who to respect and show servitude to...
No "poor horsey" from me when they weigh close to 1000 pounds and a pea sized brain...
One bite, one kick landed and I could be badly hurt or worse....dead!!
Think not...
Time to stand up to your poor baby bad display of manners and respect forgotten before you get hurt.
This is not a dog....
It is a 1000 pounds of aggressive animal if they lose respect for your position in the herd...LEADER!!!

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I spoke to my barn manager and she hasn’t had any problems with her but I don’t think she’s trying to be hands on as I am. It’s upsetting &#x1f62d;
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