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post #21 of 42 Old 03-07-2013, 01:47 PM Thread Starter
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good point wares, getting used to pressure on his face WITHOUT me in the saddle would help keep everybody at ease. thanks :) but yea, shes of the mindset that its because hes naughty, but shes too busy fiddling with her tack and talking to pay attention to how anxious he is. then he explodes and she thinks hes just being a pig. and everybodys tried explaining it to her but shes one of those "trainers" with years and years of experience and you cant tell her squat because she KNOWS. i like her as a person, shes sweet and her intentions are great, but i think she has had a less than ideal "upbringing" into the horse world. regardless, she understands now that hes too much for her, and though she loves him cause he "pretty" shes willing to take on something she can handle. like a scooter maybe, or a bicycle hopefully.

and thanks roadyy, ill send a message your way if he gets to be a thorn. :) if you're still interested.
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I agree, I'd be ground driving his butt all over town. You may get tired to walking :)
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post #23 of 42 Old 03-07-2013, 01:50 PM Thread Starter
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i could use the leg workouts lol
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post #24 of 42 Old 03-07-2013, 02:09 PM
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Well, it sounds like your mind is already made up. I wish you and him the best. He's a beautiful boy. Just be careful and take things slow. Once they learn a behavior or habit, years can go by without a single rear and then something spooks them, next thing you know they go straight in the air.

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post #25 of 42 Old 03-07-2013, 02:14 PM
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From what you describe it sounds like he's being more fearful (or in pain/confused, etc) than defiant. Sounds like he needs more patience and consistency for a starter. Usually, if a horse is like that, I ignore unwanted behavior (unless he's directly striking, biting, kicking at me- that's a whole different story) and just continue until the desired outcome (or semblance of it) is reached. (Way before any saddle).

It takes a long time. I don't really hold on to "once a rearer always a rearer" mindset- I think that's true for horses who have learned it as a defiant act to get someone to go away real quick, but seems like something else going on here (I could be wrong, of course)

If you get the guy, I would encourage you to be patient. Horses will take 1 step forward, 2 steps back, 1 step forward, 1 step back, 2 steps forward, 1 step back. And on and on... So don't get discouraged if things go backward after progress.

I got a guy now (whole host of other problems, boils down to he's fearful/aggressive, flips out and attacks with little pressure). Some days he does really well, other days its like he forgot absolutely everything and wigs out again- but all in all, we've made substantial progress from when he first came around, so I have to remind myself to not get discouraged when he regresses a bit. Just slow down, go back to a comfortable thing and try again. (Though I do make it a point to get him just outside his comfort zone, enough that he's uncomfortable, but not enough that he freaks out. Just so he can think how to react, not just react, I call it "Frequent Bouts of Mild Torture")

Those are my 2 cents. Good luck!

And.... He is absolutely gorgeous! I think you'll be alright so long as you know you're going in for the long haul. No quick fixes, no easy buttons. Just patience and persistence.
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its not entirely made up wetrain, it totally depends on if she finds somebody to pay the price she wants. and with his color, and some of the geniuses around today, is possible. im not gonna turn him down if she hands him to me for what i offered her, but im not paying a dime more. hes dangerous, but i'd hate to believe he wasnt worth the shot. maybe im kidding myself, but then again, maybe theres a good horse in there...
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Good luck to you. I have confidence in you, and I would have taken on that horse. I have taken on rearers, due to pain and just ill training they have been able to over come it.

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post #28 of 42 Old 03-07-2013, 02:18 PM
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He is a beautiful horse

good luck with him

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post #29 of 42 Old 03-07-2013, 02:28 PM
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I am currently working with a rearer as well but the one I am working with is doing it out of defiance. She is a stubborn mare, Just remember if they are moving Forward they cant rear so keep um moving! Good Luck and stay safe!
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sorry if my trying to make better of the situation i see around me. i dont see where im any worse than a rescue taking in animals slightly malnourished or injured. i dont see where buying an animal based on the thought that i could do better for him is wrong.

i take on one case at a time. in the end, the horses are all happier, even if the owners do get mad.

paris and lakota are in wisconsin on a reserve.
the pregnant mare is, also still pregnant, and "tobys" former owner and i have been conversing over the entire controversy surrounding his stud. we've come to a friendly and amicable conclusion. and the mare may be in foal to a donkey, brought to my attention first by two eyes former owner. still the barn owners fault, it just never crossed the mares owners mind that the 13h donkey could have done it.

and this horse, yes. i have permission for his photos, and in the owners words"use any means you have to for ideas, cause im out of them". can the respected and experienced trainers here not give me ideas?

i disagree with her methods. some people use the "back and punish" technique for bad behaviors, which is what she thinks this is. i believe its fear. if er were rearing out of meanness, shed be totally in the right. so this isnt abuse as much as lack of understanding what he needs. and besides, please say where i used the word abuse.

ive even sad i like this woman, her intentions are great, we are friends, and she is beggining to see shes bitten off more than she can chew.

but, thanks for your concern,

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