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post #11 of 17 Old 01-05-2012, 05:19 PM
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I agree with tinyliny. I don't care if I get slapped, I don't want to see someone get seriously hurt or a horse get in trouble.

There was one time a lady wouldn't tie her lease horse.. she'd wrap the rope like a coil around the post and walk off to do whatever. Well her horse got seriously tangled and pulled himself tight and got his foot there and his head was here.. it was a mess. So I went over, untangled him.. and then told the lady she shouldn't do that because I just saved him from a nasty pulled muscle, or worse.

She didn't from then on, she was actually thankful.

Another time, a horse spooked whilst tied and her owner was grabbing brushes.. this gelding went tearing across an active parking lot and found some grass but was too nervous to eat it. I took Sky's rope and caught him, brought him back and the owner saw me holding this horse by the jugular with a rope. I was honest and told her what happened, and she was SO happy because her horse could have gotten hit by a car or broken his leg in a pot hole or worse!

I've also had people yell at me and never talk to me again, but that's because I am young, they were older and they were embarrassed.

But like I said, rather get slapped in the face than have someone really hurt.
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post #12 of 17 Old 01-06-2012, 01:17 AM
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I appreciate when people tell me what I need to work on. It might be because I'm older and my pride doesn't get in the way. The people at my barn tell me things to do/not to do all the time and I try really hard to listen and follow through. It might not be a bad idea to give it a shot. If she refused to listen, then you did what you could do.
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post #13 of 17 Old 01-06-2012, 03:02 AM
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If this horse is a lesson horse or a potential competition prospect, the girl must have a trainer, correct? If I where you, I would leave this up to the girls trainer to correct.

For the first few weeks after I bought my first horse, I must admit...I was like your friend. I learned my lesson after my horse started acting up and testing me. I eventually sought help and started asking for advice.

She will probably get with the program soon. If not, the trainer should discuss this with her. I would not start giving unsolicited advice unless you see her in immediate danger (horse starts charging her, bucking around her, etc..). Only then (at the exact moment of the horses temper tantrum) would I say..."Hey, I can help you with some tricks I have learned".

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post #14 of 17 Old 01-06-2012, 08:36 AM
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That is tough.

I'd start casually discussing horse training with her, and tell her about how you're learning about horses needing firm leaders. Casually tell her stories of other horses you knew that were taking advantage of their owners and then what the owners did about it.

Don't specifically say that she is doing it, but you could throw in there examples of the bad horse behavior, and how it can get worse.

It will plant the seed at the very least. She'll start thinking about it, and maybe start to pay attention. If she doesn't seem to get it, keep "discussing" horse training and manners with her. Hopefully she'll get it... otherwise you could mention to a trainer that she should keep an eye on your friend, and let the trainer observe and take it from there.
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post #15 of 17 Old 01-06-2012, 12:09 PM
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I agree with ptvintage. Rather than say "this is what you should do", you can say "I had a friend whose horse did that, and this is what worked for her".
Then it is up to her whether she pays heed or not, and you don't come off sounding like you are telling her what to do.
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post #16 of 17 Old 01-06-2012, 12:17 PM
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Wait till she asks you for help. Until then, it is none of your business what she does with her horse.

Originally Posted by Iseul View Post
...since I believe it's getting tithe point of becoming dangerous..
This is a fairly subjective observation. If she is in imminent danger, I suggest you appeal to a higher authority to talk to her - a trainer or BO for example.

Originally Posted by Iseul View Post
I would leave it, like I have been. The thing is, she's been trying to lunge the horse lately (for the -wrong- reason) and the horse kicks, bucks, charges, and rears during these sessions so I've heard.
If there's one great piece of horse advice I can give () it is to never, EVER, go by what you've 'heard'. Chinese whispers are especially rampant in the horse world. If you didn't see it with your own two eyes, don't take it as gospel.

All horses deserve, at least once in their lives, to be loved by a little girl.
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post #17 of 17 Old 01-06-2012, 04:33 PM
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The role that a horse plays in a owner's life is a subject fit for a degree in psychology. Undoubtedly often the horse becomes a substitute for a lack of something in a human's life. The horse's role in some human's life is often to be the recipient of affection. For others a horse is a jumping machine.

Some of us older folks keep our horses in livery yards and there we watch often with increasing horror the antics of a new young owner playing with 500 kilos of muscle and blood. But what to do, we know from previous experience that if we put our nose in a young person's business we definitely risk a stern rebuff - if not from the young rider then perhaps from the mother or father who mostly knows nothing about horses. It is a very common problem.

Except in lethal circumstances, generally speaking we close our eyes, keep our own counsel and look the other way.

Personally I have reached the stage where I only interfere when the horse is at risk. The youngsters have to learn from experience. The owner of the yard also kept her distance. She was herself a very experienced horse woman who had ridden horses since a very young child. Tenants were left to find their own way.

At times there was indeed a need to rush in and grab the horse but surprisingly not that often. But three horses died in three years, they paid the price of ignorance.

Lunging a horse in a confined arena is an acquired knack. At one end of the lead rope is a powerful four legged animal and at the other end of a long rein is a mere human who is being spun round and round getting dizzy and usually calling out words, which the horse rarely understands. The human is wealding a whip in one hand and holding the rein, often wrapped around the wrist, in the other. Yes it is dangerous situation but rarely do I hear of someone being carted off to hospital.
Should one interfere? Well just how good are your communication skills? Are you prepared to be snubbed?
Will you do any good?

I suppose the answer for me lies in whether I care enough. If I care about both horse and rider then I stop, I think, I work out my opening line and then I jump in. If I am told to mind my own business, then I back off. Mostly I find I am listened to and then they go on much as before, but at least I tried.

Today whilst picking up dung, I was followed around the field by a 6yo 16h2 warmblood gelding who was chewing at the collar of my jacket. As I stood up the horse's nose was in my pocket seeking out the treats which are often there. When I turned round to say 'Oi' he stood his ground, imperiously looking down at mere me whilst sniffing at my beard. Some horsey folks would have been horrified. But at the time I was the object of a beautiful horse's interest and affection. I was so privileged. There was no way I would have chastised that animal for invading my space. Eventually I moved off out of his domain and the horse wandered off. I worry for that horse in the future when someone comes and buys him. His love of humans makes him vulnerable.

What's my conclusion about poking one's nose in? Well if you jump in, you might be rebuffed, if you ignore the situation then an accident might occur.

How much do you care? or why not toss a coin?

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