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post #11 of 12 Old 12-21-2010, 04:39 PM Thread Starter
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Ok, first you said that you wanted a calm, no mud slinging argument but you seem to be the one to get argumentative.
I don't want this discussion to be hateful and have finger pointing/name calling. I am not doing any of those... but I can argue my points just as anyone else can. :) I am not trying to be rude, I promise. :)
Are you saying that Plantation walking horses are sored? How about easy gaited classes? To my knowledge only Big Lick horses are sored, and even then, Big Lick competitions have caught enough scrutiny and have been shut down. I am not saying that the abuse doesn't happen...I am just saying that the gait they are looking for in Big Lick classes can be TAUGHT. It doesn't need to be MADE.
Yes, I am saying that some plantation and lite shod horses are sored. NOT ALL, but it does go on in classes other than the "big lick". You said yourself "to my knowledge".
And just because they have caught scrutiny doesn't mean it doesn't happen regularly still. They are just getting better at covering it up and doctoring the horse's feet.
I agree that they can teach an animated gait.. but probably not as animated as they are now. I never said otherwise.
And with these types that don't wear a chain in the show ring, they have other means of "soring" one. Pressure shoeing, standing on blocks, etc.

Here are some examples of Plantation horses that certainly don't appear sound...
YouTube - Res. World Grand Champion Plantation Show Horse SOLD!!!!

YouTube - midnight mover plantation walking horse

YouTube - Plantation Pleasure, Cut of Chrome

I was at that barn 6 days a week as I worked there as a Stable Hand and exercise rider. I held horses while they were being shod. I rode, I cleaned stalls, I was there. There was nothing out of the ordinary going on there.
Ok, good. I was just asking. I see how it came across, because I was blunt about it. Didn't mean to sound rude.

Horses were ridden 6 days a week. They were started at 2. They were taught slow, consistent gaits first. Rollers were added to emphasize the stride. The shoes were built up slowly. Week by week. The gait was developed there. If a horse didn't have what it took to bring out the big gait, they were either shown in other classes or sold as a trail horse.

I have made this point before and will continue to make it. Say there are 100K TWH right now. 1% of them will become Big Lick horses. 2% will be trained to do the gait. Of that 1%, 50% will have suffered some sort of abuse. So a half of a percent will have shown Big Lick and never been sored or abused. Would I rather see that the abuse never happens in the first place. ABSOLUTELY. I am not for soring or hurting horses.

With that 1% in mind, lets just assume that every one of those horses is limping lame by say...age 15. I see by your avatar you are a jumper. How many jumpers, competitive hard jumpers, are sound after age 15. Without injections?

I don't know, and am not going to even venture a guess. But I will bet that if you take a H/J horse and a TWH and work them and show them every single year, the jumper is more likely going to last much longer. I am not stating facts, obviously. But I would personally bet on it.

How about TB's? How many are started as long yearlings, raced until they either don't have the heart or they break down? Then add in that OTTB's have become a very popular mount for high impact riding styles such as Jumpers and Dressage. How many of *those* horses are sound after 15?

This is about TWH, not TB's. However, I do not agree with a lot of the racing industry either. But that's a whole 'nother topic :)

How about Reiners? Many of them are started at 2, ridden in futurities and such. Campaigned hard and then sold off. How many reiners, true competitive reiners are sound after 15?

You see? You can make this argument with every discipline.

All showing is done in the name of glory and money. Racing, Reining, jumping, Dressage, Western pleasure. All about the money and the glory. TWH aren't the only ones in the game you know.
I agree with you on some points. There are lots of things I don't agree with in other breeds, but that's not what this topic is about. I don't like starting any horse that young.
My focus is the "big lick" and other classes... and soring and the like. I am not going to compare normal wear and tear in other things like jumping to the TWH. I took the best care I could of my horses, and never purposefully hurt my horse to get better performance out of them.
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I admittedly watched only a few minutes of each of the videos and while I saw exaggerated gaits, I didn't see anything that wasn't sound. The last horse has on stacked shoes...the other two look like they have worn rollers or weights...hence the bigger action in front. All three that I saw were exhibiting a head nodding, flat walk.

The Walker that I grew up riding was a former Big Lick WGC. He ended up losing his wind due to bad barn conditions. I was young and didn't know about soring or any other abuses going on back then but what I remember was this. He had wonderful, balanced, consistent gaits. He had handfuls of extra skin on his neck and chest from being over built on the front. He had the most unique and extraordinary canter I, to this day, have ever ridden. He was also sound every single day of his life...right up until the end when he passed at 27. He was campaigned as a Big lick horse until he was 5. Thats about average. He was gelded as a baby otherwise he would have had quite the career as a stud horse.

As far as H/J horses go, you've got me there. I am clueless when it comes to jumping. I know that it is a lot to ask of a horse to jump fences all their lives. Just like it is a lot to ask horses to perform gaits that aren't natural all their lives.

I don't deny the fact that bad stuff still happens to these horses. I just feel that the TWH world is under the microscope anymore. Not that it doesn't deserve to be there. I just think they shouldn't be alone in being scrutinized. Lots of breeders/trainers/riders start horses early and fast to get to the money faster. Its a shame. It really is. There are good trainers/breeders/riders out there that just will not stand for the abuses anymore. I think they are much more the majority than you would think.
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