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post #11 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 02:26 AM Thread Starter
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Ten years ago the citizens of my town would not have been real happy about a processing plant coming to town but in the last two years the two biggest employers have cut about 3000 jobs. Now the feeling would be the bigger the better and learn to live with it. Most processing plants now have very little smell and to drive past one you may not even know what it was. there would be nothing to be upset about. Even the protesters have to eat and sleep somewhere.

They test alot of beef carcasses and it happens quite quickly and cheaply. It would present no problem for horse processors to test each carcass.

The average vegan may be lighter but they also have a greater instance of anemia and vitamin deficencies. Also they tend to exercise more and are younger. I doubt that GoVeg.com can be called an impartial source.

At any rate I don't think anybody should be forced to eat horsemeatbut the fact is that there is a real crisis and the government is not going to be able to regulate us out of it. Breeding regulations would take alot of money and is unconstitutional and would not solve the problem for many many years if at all. If the gov gets out of the way of meat processors then the number of horses would be reduced much quicker.

If you listen to what cancer researchers say you willl doe of starvation because everything causes cancer. I read recently that eating burnt toast can cause cancer. If you can't even eat toast what chance do you have?

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post #12 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 02:32 AM
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Burnt toast. Any sort of black char is unhealthy. Normal toast is fine. I'm more certain of what cancer researchers have to say about health than your opinions, simply because they are a more reliable source as they have done actual research. You do not have enough research to verify that the claims you have made in a pro-slaughter action plan would be functional and successful.

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post #13 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 02:36 AM Thread Starter
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So what's your solution?

There's nothing like the Rockies in the springtime... Nothing like the freedom in the air... And there ain't nothing better than draggin calves to the fire and there's nothing like the smell of burning hair. -Brenn Hill
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Don't have one. I'm just critiquing them. If they can't stand up well to a meager inquiry by me, they won't go easily through the government I haven't seen enough of both sides to form a proper idea either way. Research that could be done to support a pro-slaughter standpoint would be a consensus sample of how many people in a town would be alright with a slaughter house near them, how many people are willing to eat horse meat in America, evidence that stacks against the anti-slaughter viewpoint and more.

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All I'm saying is that the federal government should lift the roadblocks and let the effected communities decide if they want a processing plant. It would help aliviate the strain on resources that unwanted horses have. Many (even most) communities wouldn't want a plant but there would be some that would welcome the economic effects of one and it would cost the federal government very very little. I really don't care if the meat stays here or goes overseas, the market would dictate that as well. The safeguards for the meat is already in place and being used in Canada and the same ones could be used here. If slaughter was not a viable business then the government wouldn't have had to interfere to put a stop to it.

Our government can't figure out how to keep thier 40,000 horses from breeding how in the world are they going to regulate the 10 million owned by private citizens?

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im about to serve dinner so i havent had a chance to read all replies before posting but i feel the need to post MO.

personally i loathe the thought of any animal being slaughtered whether its a horse, a pig or a goat. im a vegetarian for obvious reasons however...i sadly, do understand the need for slaughter. i live in australia and while we have 'knackeries' as they are called here, there isnt the problem here that there is in the U.S. with regards to the number of horses going to slaughter.

while my hearts breaks at the thought of slaughter i do understand the need for it. however, as already mentioned in the post i did read, there is a need to address the issue about the treatment of animals destined for the killing floor. that in reality is what breaks my heart the most. we are truly blessed to have these majestic, powerful, beautiful animals in our life. most of us dont earn it but in most cases we have the unconditional love of these creatures. and then to treat them how they are is..unjust, unfair, cruel, cold hearted and abominable.

that to me is the issue. im not so closed minded that i cant understand that there are some cases where slaughter is needed on many levels but its the bottom line that upsets the minions. bottom line is animal cruelty. its not about slaughter its about absolute cruelty and thats where the heartbreak comes from.

i appreciate that my country still has slaughter houses and that we dont see the cruelty here that other countries do however even though i live in australia, you would be surprised how much we hear about the U.S. to the point where we might as well live there considering everything is about what happens over there or who did what over there. i doubt though that we will ever see these issues here and i dont mean that in an offensive way but i do mean that im glad i dont have to see these pictures of slaughter bound horses or horses at slaughter going through what they do here in my own country.

anyways, off track. yes i do understand the need for it but no, i dont understand the need for the cruelty

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While I understand and agree with the idea of slaughter, I think that it is only one step in the process of eliminating unwanted horses. We have an excess of horses for a lot of reasons and unless we get to the root cause, slaughter is the only solution.

The root of the matter is in excess breeding and land development. While there is little that we can do about development (although the economy has done a lot to curtail it for now), what we need to address is the breeding of horses that no one wants.

So ... while slaughter can take care of the immediate need, how to we take care of the long range problem? Realistically, it is over population that causes the need for slaughter.

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The average vegan may be lighter but they also have a greater instance of anemia and vitamin deficencies. Also they tend to exercise more and are younger. I doubt that GoVeg.com can be called an impartial source.
sorry for the double post but i did just see this. kevin you have joined since i was last really active on here and while i find your posts a little blunt they are always honest and i appreciate that. however, in this instance i must disagree with your above mentioned comment. being a vegetarian bordering on vegan i find this comment generalised and a little misguided. MOST vegetarians/vegans are aware of the lacking iron, calcium etc in their diets. a good vegan/vegetarian is aware of these issues and like myself, eat a lot of foods that substitute meat eg; broccoli and other things for calcium, beans and legumes for iron, proteins etc

extensive studies have been done on meat free diets and they have been proved to be very healthy when the person in question is aware of their diet. i have many friends that also have the same eating habits as myself and are proven, by blood tests etc with doctors, to be in 100% health.

the generalisation that all vegans or vegetarians are anemic or lacking in vitamins is not at all right. i have regular tests with doctors as i have other health problems that will be affected by lack of iron and calcium etc and have always been 100% when it comes to the levels of these things needed. a true vegan or vegetarian knows exactly how to substitute their diet and removing meat or other animal products from our diet does not automatically mean there is an accompanying lack of health.

this comes from the horses mouth so to speak. i am incredibly, crazily health conscious and would not compromise my health for anything however my chosen eating style has not in any way effected my health. there may be some exceptions to the rule but they will in most cases be the unwise, the unread or the unknowledgable. these people in most cases will also be the ones who are only half hearted in their convictions and will not be vegans or vegetarians for long.

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JazzyRider Im sorry but I find it REALLY hard to believe your vegan/vegi sentiment when you use leather tack.

I cant wait till the plant in Mt is set up. Then at least there will be an outlet. I stand behind Regulated slaughter for all Livestock. That includes horses cows chickens pigs goats and every critter listed under livestock.
Im getting really irritated about people saying there should be no slaughter because Americans dont eat horses. Im about ready to start having free barbecues, main course prime aged equine.
Kevin you would be invited for sure. Im sure the jobless families in Gillette would sure be happy.
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post #20 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 12:46 PM Thread Starter
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I'll even bring the potatoe salad. Gillette isn't THAT far away.

There's nothing like the Rockies in the springtime... Nothing like the freedom in the air... And there ain't nothing better than draggin calves to the fire and there's nothing like the smell of burning hair. -Brenn Hill
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