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post #21 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 02:08 PM
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I agree, Kevin. When you boil it down to nitty-gritty, horses are first and foremost livestock. As such, their slaughter needs to be handled as any other livestock animal would be. There are no special regulations needed so there is no "plan" that has to be formulated. The only plan needed is to allow processing plants to start processing horses.
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the generalisation that all vegans or vegetarians are anemic or lacking in vitamins is not at all right.
Which is exactly why I didn't say that. I said there was a greater instance of anemia and vitamin deficencies. That is absolutely true. Many supplements particularly the cheaper ones contain vitamins and minerals in a form that is hard for the human body to use so it is quite easy for a vegitarian to think they are getting enough calcium and vitamin D and protien when in fact they are not. Before I made this post I spoke with my sister in law who has a Masters degree in nutrition to make sure I was not putting out false facts and that is what she said.

The fact is that the U.S. horse herd increased by 3 million horses in less than 10 years when it had stayed pretty steady for the last 120 years. What happened around 1999 that would cause a spike in the number of horses? 1998 was when the first law restricting slaughter was passed. In the early 90's there were 10 processing plants in the U.S. by 2008 When the last plants closed there were 3. It has taken a few years but the numbers are reaching a critical level and the welfare of the animals is suffering. When you see a horse starving in a bare field ask yourself if that horses owners would have left it in the field to die if they could take it to the auction and get 250-500 dollars for it.

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I don't think I could ever eat horses. It is just a little bit too weird for me. I eat meat, yes. But I don't ride around on cows, or pet chickens, or feed treats to pigs.

I know that we need slaughter houses, but they do need to regulate them so that the animals are being treated humanely and not just like a piece of meat. At least treat the animals destined for slaughter with some dignity. That's all that I would ask.

This conversation kinda reminds me of the movie Temple Grandin. GREAT movie! I defintaly reccommend it. It talks about an autism woman who tries to better the slaughter industry.

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post #24 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 08:43 PM
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JazzyRider Im sorry but I find it REALLY hard to believe your vegan/vegi sentiment when you use leather tack.
if you read my post properly you will see i said 'bordering on' vegan. i did not say i AM vegan. but i do claim only to border on being vegan due to the many other things i choose to abstain from. oh yeah and in most cases, my tack is synthetic as apart from my green broke qh (who is being ridden in a borrowed saddle) i rarely even use a saddle. the saddle i do have is synthetic as i have little need for anything else. i dont show or anything so i dont need a $3000 plush leather saddle. most of my bridles are also pvc/synthetics or rope bridles. i do have a couple of cheap indian leather bridles that i have had since i was a kid but thats it.

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Which is exactly why I didn't say that. I said there was a greater instance of anemia and vitamin deficencies. That is absolutely true. Many supplements particularly the cheaper ones contain vitamins and minerals in a form that is hard for the human body to use so it is quite easy for a vegitarian to think they are getting enough calcium and vitamin D and protien when in fact they are not. Before I made this post I spoke with my sister in law who has a Masters degree in nutrition to make sure I was not putting out false facts and that is what she said.
ah ok! i get where you are coming from. i wasnt really referring to things like multivitamins or anything like that even though i know of people who do use certain ones as there are ones which do contain the right levels of things. i was talking more along the lines of natural substitution as in eating other foods that contain high levels of the things lacking when meat is taken out of the equation.

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post #26 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 10:18 PM
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I am in 100% agreement with Kevin.

I absolutely loathe the fact that someone can sit there and critique a plan without first or even afterward offering up a solution themselves. Anyone can shoot down an idea, it takes real guts to try to fix it.

I think there should be a horse processing plant in every state.

I think all of these people who are opposed to horse slaughter need to rethink their position if they really do love the horses, it will alleviate so much stress on horses as a species and as an industry.

I think it will boost the economy, if we can sell meat to foreign markets, that means income for us, not to mention the jobs opened up at each plant and also jobs for transport trucks, feed manufacturers, construction and contracting companies, ect.... I know horse meat will never be popular on a Us dinner table but other countries welcome the rich sweet meat and will pay top dollar for it.

I think Americans opposed to horse slaughter are selfish, just because they do not believe in it and it offends their delicate sensibilities, the horses should not have to suffer the long rides to the Mexican he11 holes or up to good ole Canada, they do not deserve to suffer and starve to death because no one can care for them, they should be given a quick and painless death and a short ride to said death at a regulated and monitored processing plant.

I believe you should have to procure a license or permit to breed a horse. That unlicensed breeding should be illegal or at least fined until the population can be brought under control.

In this time of economic stagnation in the Us and horse industry itself, I think we need to get over our stigma with horse slaughter and do what is best for the animals as well as give up a little of our pride and put up with regulations on horse breeding.

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Ok so the thing is that what ever we do we cannot out our horses threw the abuse that they are out threw in slaughter houses. We got them in this situation and its responsibility as being the "most evolved" I think that yes it is a problem and it needs to be taken care of but not in horse slaughter plants, where the workers could be compared to the Nazi in WWII. When we are done with them, and they no longer stand up to our standards, we ship them off to be processed to we can wipe our hands clean, and say that it was a quick and painless death. The reality is far from that.
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^ Really? What is the reality then?

What is your solution to the overpopulation issue that doesn't involve slaughter?

Maybe it should be another word. Slaughter has such negative connotations.

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I don't think I could ever eat horses. It is just a little bit too weird for me. I eat meat, yes. But I don't ride around on cows, or pet chickens, or feed treats to pigs.

I know that we need slaughter houses, but they do need to regulate them so that the animals are being treated humanely and not just like a piece of meat. At least treat the animals destined for slaughter with some dignity. That's all that I would ask.

This conversation kinda reminds me of the movie Temple Grandin. GREAT movie! I defintaly reccommend it. It talks about an autism woman who tries to better the slaughter industry.
And that is fine - if YOU don't want to eat horse meat, don't eat it (what is great about the country we live in, no?) While you may not ride cows, pet chickens or feed treats to pigs - people do (I have actually done all three - and some other really odd things).
What different treatment do you think horses need in comparison to other animals being slaughtered?
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post #30 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 10:43 PM
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Ok so the thing is that what ever we do we cannot out our horses threw the abuse that they are out threw in slaughter houses. We got them in this situation and its responsibility as being the "most evolved" I think that yes it is a problem and it needs to be taken care of but not in horse slaughter plants, where the workers could be compared to the Nazi in WWII. When we are done with them, and they no longer stand up to our standards, we ship them off to be processed to we can wipe our hands clean, and say that it was a quick and painless death. The reality is far from that.
So what is your proposal? I always like to hear what someone proposes as the solution when they are busy pshawing away another's solution.
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