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post #31 of 37 Old 03-17-2010, 11:34 PM
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Ok so the thing is that what ever we do we cannot out our horses threw the abuse that they are out threw in slaughter houses. We got them in this situation and its responsibility as being the "most evolved" I think that yes it is a problem and it needs to be taken care of but not in horse slaughter plants, where the workers could be compared to the Nazi in WWII. When we are done with them, and they no longer stand up to our standards, we ship them off to be processed to we can wipe our hands clean, and say that it was a quick and painless death. The reality is far from that.
As WS and Mack have both asked, what do you purpose to stop the problem then? As I said, anyone can shoot down an idea, it takes guts to stand up and try to fix it.

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Ok so the thing is that what ever we do we cannot out our horses threw the abuse that they are out threw in slaughter houses. We got them in this situation and its responsibility as being the "most evolved" I think that yes it is a problem and it needs to be taken care of but not in horse slaughter plants, where the workers could be compared to the Nazi in WWII. When we are done with them, and they no longer stand up to our standards, we ship them off to be processed to we can wipe our hands clean, and say that it was a quick and painless death. The reality is far from that.

Well call me Adolf then! I was one of those nazi slaughterhouse workers and I can tell you that the cattle that were brought through that plant were treated humanely and with dignity untill they actually were just a piece of meat. There are federal inspectors at every step of the operation and they do not cut any slack. You don't know what your talking about in relation to processing plants. Please educate yourself or keep your ignorance to yourself. Paying the vet to kill your horse and dumping it in a hole does not make you morally superior to someone that sends thier horse to a plant to be used to feed humans. The death is still just as fast and just as painless.

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Well call me Adolf then! I was one of those Nazi slaughterhouse workers and I can tell you that the cattle that were brought through that plant were treated humanely and with dignity until they actually were just a piece of meat. There are federal inspectors at every step of the operation and they do not cut any slack. You don't know what your talking about in relation to processing plants. Please educate yourself or keep your ignorance to yourself. Paying the vet to kill your horse and dumping it in a hole does not make you morally superior to someone that sends their horse to a plant to be used to feed humans. The death is still just as fast and just as painless.
You NAZI!! lol, yes Kevin you are EVIL, PETA says you are evil, and their propaganda makes them right and you wrong and evil. I love when people feed into propaganda...

Actually just so you euthanasia supporters know, many horses thrash and scream and siezure after injected... Do you know how the shot actually works? Well let me inform you. The first part of it is a paralytic, given to them to keep them from making a scene as they die, so you can think fluffy went peacefully, the second part of it causes their heart to beat so fast it explodes, it gives them a heart attack and they feel every second of it. I asked my vet if they give the first part when they euth a horse at the vet without the owner around, he said no, they anesthetize it, rock it to the ground and give it the shot, same second part, it dies. (95% of the time a bolt to the head kills immediately...which is more humane?)

When you put them(the carcass that is no longer your pet) in a dump, you further the pollution, yes carcasses pollute, and further the need for MORE dumps, like we need more of them.

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(95% of the time a bolt to the head kills immediately...which is more humane?)
95% is a very very conservative estimate. I would say it is actually 99.999%. The plant I worked at processed 2500 head per day and it was not uncommon for the knockers to never miss with the first shot all day. When they did miss they followed up immediately with another. Within a matter of less than a minute the cow was knocked and bled out. The two things that you absolutely need for life is blood circulation and brain activity, both of those are stopped in less than a minute.

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Actually just so you euthanasia supporters know, many horses thrash and scream and siezure after injected... Do you know how the shot actually works? Well let me inform you. The first part of it is a paralytic, given to them to keep them from making a scene as they die, so you can think fluffy went peacefully, the second part of it causes their heart to beat so fast it explodes, it gives them a heart attack and they feel every second of it. I asked my vet if they give the first part when they euth a horse at the vet without the owner around, he said no, they anesthetize it, rock it to the ground and give it the shot, same second part, it dies. (95% of the time a bolt to the head kills immediately...which is more humane?)
As far as I am aware the thrashing/siezuring is just electrical impulses left over after they are already dead?

Found this on Wikipedia, so don't know if it is true or not, but interesting!

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Commonly used for cattle and other livestock. The bolt is fired through the forehead causing massive disruption of the cerebral cortex. In cattle this merely stuns the animal, and death must be brought about by pithing or exsanguination. Horses are killed outright by the captive bolt, making pithing or exsanguination unnecessary
^Talking about Captive Bolt.

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95% is a very very conservative estimate. I would say it is actually 99.999%. The plant I worked at processed 2500 head per day and it was not uncommon for the knockers to never miss with the first shot all day. When they did miss they followed up immediately with another. Within a matter of less than a minute the cow was knocked and bled out. The two things that you absolutely need for life is blood circulation and brain activity, both of those are stopped in less than a minute.

Yeah, I was leaving a little room for human error there, for the few times someone actually missed or the animal did not go down immediately and took a few seconds to actually die...

My personal bottom line, If my horse breaks his leg, he is getting a bullet, I know where to put it and I know how to put it there, he will not suffer a few minutes of heart attack by a hundred dollar shot when a 10 cent bullet can end it in a few seconds.

If he has outlived his usefulness and health, if at all possible (as in the plants in the US open back up) he will go to the slaughter plant to be recycled back into the food chain, or he will get a bullet and be rendered into animal food and not into some dump to waste money, time, and land. I find that much more natural and respectful than casting him off as trash in a dump or hole in the ground.

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post #37 of 37 Old 03-18-2010, 12:31 AM
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Cattle have a smaller brain and a larger sinus, more often than in horses, the sinus cavity is struck and the cow has to be rebolted. Any disruption of the central cortex halts sensation though, so they do not feel it when they are bled out, they just die... Not pretty, but rare and true.

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