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post #11 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 03:05 PM
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Another thread, which includes what some responsible people do:

https://www.horseforum.com/horse-trai...ing-up-282858/
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post #12 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 03:05 PM
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Gunner is a horse from the gunner bloodline...Colonels Smoking gun...awesomely talented paint stud



This is absolutely disgusting. Sucks that it takes the death of ANOTHER horse at that farm for the authorities to investigate.
Okay, so it was what I found. I figured so, when all I found matched the deceased mare so well, and it is a very different marking.
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post #13 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 04:42 PM
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RIP Bella Gunnabe Gifted.

SAN DIEGO, CA – San Diego’s horse community is up in arms over the death of a horse in the care of a trainer known for using controversial methods… methods some say is nothing short of torture. In the horse world, training techniques can come down to differences of philosophy; a heavy hand versus a gentler touch. However according to those who discovered the mortally wounded horse, they say it was the trainer’s use of brutal force that killed her.
“They literally try to drive the horse insane,” said horse trainer, Christopher Martinez, “in a case like this it’s almost as if these horses commit suicide. They are given no options.”
Martinez is describing a horse training technique that is so brutal in many cases, he says, the horse ends up dead, “it’s not a training technique it’s a torture type device.”
And that is allegedly what happened this weekend at the river valley ranch near the border. Trainer Mark Arballo was training a Gunner horse, with superb quality bloodlines, called Bella Gonnabe Gifted.
“He started wailing on it, beating on something,” said Bethany Wallace, another trainer at the ranch, “he was trying to pull and hit something with a long strap.”
Wallace is the one who found the mortally wounded horse, still tied up with what’s called a shank bit and it’s neck turned and tied all the way around to the saddle. The horse had apparently panicked and broke the straps.
“I saw Bella lying prostrate on the ground, tacked up and bloody faced,” she said. “Her nose was mutilated and bleeding out of her nostrils and one ear. She was unable to move – just groaning.”
“If they get tripped up they have no way of catching themselves,” said the owner of the ranch, Martha Torkington, adding “because all the balance is in their head they fall over and potentially hit there heads.”
The horse belongs to Torkington who was not at the property when the incident happened, she says the training technique known as “biting up” is common, but she says a trainer should never leave the horse alone during the process, “what happen here was, the absolute rule, you don’t walk away from a horse because too much can happen.”
But others say that is not the case – the practice is just plain animal cruelty, “in these cases they are so bound that curb strap is puncturing through the horses chin,” said Martinez, adding “every horse there ( at River Valley) has scars from it.”
Martinez used to train for Torkington, but he left the ranch after witnessing many what he called a climate of abusive behavior and the death of another horse last year from the same type of circumstances.
“None of us would ever ‘bit up’ a horse in shank bit,” said Martinez, “and both of these animals that died over there were in those type of tack.” Animal control is investigating.



Owner is on TV stations saying she didn't know this was happening, but apparently it is well known that Arballo's assistant Patrice Hohl had killed a horse last year named Shiner by this same method.

Also this horse was beaten by Arballo while she was on ground groaning in pain....


What price a ribbon and trophy...is something we all should be asking ourselves.

More can be found by entering horse's name in search bar...and there is FB page with AC report on Shiner too.

Sad...and heads need to roll!

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post #15 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 05:21 PM
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What an ironic name is all I keep thinking about.

This was a cruel PERSON, not a cruel PRACTICE. She could of easily been freed, but the trainer chose to beat her.

Same method, only it being carried out by a decent human being. I don't see anything cruel or anything "just short of torture".
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Sorry FnB...didn't see you had a thread on this...will see maybe if can be combined with one I had started???




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I saw this earlier today, and there is now a FB page made for this horse. :(

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I think that there is room for every method and no method is correct. I think clicker training is wonderful when used appropriately. The wrong person doing clicker training without the appropriate timing can just as easily get hurt as someone using all dominance methods. I also note that the horse in the promotional add had his ears back a portion of the time. That does not seem very "loving and spiritually appropriate" or whatever. People start talking about spiritual wellness of horses and I sort of stop listening, because it tends to ventures into the territory of being about the owners spiritual needs and not the horses. I am not saying that the methods don't work. I just think that for many people the idea of using treats to train a horse to rear is not a good idea and could easily result in a case of head smashed in.

I think its horrible that a horse died using a training method. That should never happen. I also question someone who sent a horse, a valuable one at that, to a trainer who has killed a horse in the past with the same method.

For once, I would love to see a trainer saying its not all one or another method. Its not all clicker or brennaman or tying your horses head to its saddle. There are different methods for different horses. The horse that died its very unfortunate but really the owner should have been minding the store a little better and the trainer should have never, ever left a horse unattended and anyone who beats a down horse needs their head examined. Thats just wrong, its not training its abusing.
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Look at the local trainers and theyll say that. The big names lile CA and branaman and them...that's how they make the $$ their training techniques are their signatures. But in their clinics I've seen heard them praise other styles and trainers for their methods. CA especially.

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post #20 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 06:50 PM
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It's no mystery that there are a lot of different training methods out there. One may suit a horse better than the next.

But that's really not important here as there was one method being used and it was used irresponsibly. Never in my wildest nightmares or thoughts would I have thought a horse could die from being bited up.

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