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post #21 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Cynthia Royal View Post
...There are no bits, whips or other pain-inducing devices used, only love, bits of food and lots of scratches. To watch an amazing video of Blanco and I on the beach and learn more, visit...
Sorry, but you lost me when you described bits as "pain-inducing devices". I have a gelding who doesn't care what you put in his mouth. He just gets the job done, which is why his original owner (my roommate from college in the 70s) called him "Trooper".

My mare is much more particular, which is why I've gone thru a dozen or more bits trying to find the design that best works with her mouth & mind FOR COMMUNICATION. None of the bits were harsh or cruel. But each one functioned a little different, and I've gone thru quite a few trying to find which helps her to understand and calm the best. That's because she was a fearful horse, and we've been working hard since Nov 2011 on putting her thru basic training again, and then on my riding her out and convincing her that death doesn't lurk behind every trashcan or every bend in a wash.

"using methods that generate good feelings and trust, rather than submission through pressure and pain, so too can horses be taught in this way."

If my amateur's methods - traditional methods, mostly, many of which have been learned from reading on HF and asking questions - were based on "submission through pressure and pain", then I would NOT have the "good feelings and trust" of my horses. But I do. Mia didn't stand there yesterday watching me pulling cactus spines out of her leg because of "submission through pressure and pain".

I have never 'bitted up' a horse, but plenty of good people have - and done correctly, they have had good results. That does not excuse the idiots or the cruel who do it wrong and torment a horse. A lot of horses have been ruined by the 'hugs and kisses' crowd, and a lot have been ruined by the 'cruel and abusive' crowd.

But for as long as horses have been around humans, there have been humans who worked with, understood and cared for their horses. The picture below was taken during World War 1, not far from the front lines. Army horse, army soldier, both trained the British Army way. Was the result "submission through pressure and pain"? I think not:

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post #22 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cynthia Royal View Post
There is another way
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Sorry, but you lost me when you described bits as "pain-inducing devices".
I feel you two should start your own thread of training choices.

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post #23 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 10:44 PM
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How awful!! Poor horse.

Being horseless is the pits!!
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post #24 of 26 Old 09-25-2013, 11:49 PM
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this is just wrong i was always tought you were to be easy on a horse not like baby it and it it get away with stuff but i was tought to get the best responce from the least amount of pressure so as to not hurt the animal i beleave anything can be tought to do anything without pain

also the owner seemed too happy to me or was it just me?

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post #25 of 26 Old 09-26-2013, 12:03 AM
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That poor filly. The Gunner line are all absolutely stunning, both inside and out. That trainer needs to be charged, at the very least. This was no freak accident.
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post #26 of 26 Old 09-26-2013, 12:53 AM
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sounds like a trainer north of me. He killed one our mares. said she threw her self to the ground, and later a worker told us he had her tied hard and tight and left her alone to go talk to a prospective client for reining .
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