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post #11 of 26 Old 06-10-2010, 10:26 AM
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The Waterford bit isn't as harsh as it looks and is worth considering.
I first heard of it when I read an article by Ian Stark, a former world class Eventer. My mare loves the bit and it helped her soften to the bit and really helped our schooling.

Correct schooling is also necessary to help teach you to balance your horse and for them to learn to carry you and themselves correctly. Most horses who lean on the bit are in reality just on the forehand. This means they run into the ground not over it and it takes years sometimes, depending on conformation and ability, and level of training for both horse and rider before a horse can work for long periods in "self carriage". Using a different bit can help you achieve your aim, the Waterford is a mouthpiece often misunderstood or over-looked.
Here is a link for you to look at:
http://www.equineman.com/bitting_advice_…


Remember a bit is only as harsh as the hands holding the reins

Good luck :)

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The Waterford, nor the Elevator Gag Bit are bits that SHOULD NOT be chose for bits to use for training. Both are strong bits, and both are bits with a bite! I would say the Waterford is a strong bit, and does not belong in a horses mouth during training.

Both bits are meant to be used as a quick fix for the moment you need them. When you are done with that, remove it. Just like all gadgets. I use the 2 Ring Elevator Gag Bit when I Fox Hunt because no matter how much seat and leg and my body I use to keep him at bay, it goes out the door because of the high energized situation being surrounded by many horse/rider teams and hounds and horns. So the Elevator Gag works for that particular situation. When the ride is over, we go back to our regular french link snaffle.

As David O'Connor says - train at home in a snaffle, and use what you need to get the job done at a comp.

I think you seriously need to consider finding a Dressage Coach to work with you and your horse to fill the holes that are lacking in your training now. You need to go back to the Training Scale - then, when you are in the Jumping Ring, you'll beable to have a horse that is light on the front, repsonds to your aids quickly, and remains soft, flowing and in your seat.

Bits DO NOT fix training problems. Bits do not train your horse to be light in your hands - only proper riding, training does.

Fill in the holes - find a Dressage Coach. Aferall, jumping is dressage with speed bumps.


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post #13 of 26 Old 06-10-2010, 10:41 AM
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I suppose I should have considered that she is training right now . The waterford bit isnt harsh if used right and not used in training , sorry i failed to see that part . duh on my part .

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Whenever you ride at home and during lessons = training. Regardless if it is a green 5 year old OTTB to a 21 year old "Been there done that mount"

Training is training regardless.

I do not believe in turning to bits for a quick fix, when they don't correct anything. Look to your trianing and find the holes that are apparent. Fix those, then you correct the issue long term.

Bits, are short term. You take them away, the horse goes back to how it was before you put it in their mouth.

My opinion - find another jumper trainer - especially if they say that French Link's work just like Elevator Gag Bits - OMFG! I can't believe she said that.

Here is a great site for you to read:

::: Sustainable Dressage - Tack & Auxillary Equipment - The Bridle & the Bit :::

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Sure training is training but when a horse is ridden all off body the bit is barely used . I can ride my mare that exact same with her bit as when I take her bridle,bit, saddle and all off . So I do believe that the bit is only as harsh as the rider holding the reins . French Link's work just like Elevator Gag Bits....uhmm no far from !

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Thanks guys!

Could you tell me about the french link? Is it good for jumpers? Would I still have an adequate amount of control and could get his attention? Again, anything you can think of! I'll try to scavenge in the barn for one but don't know if I'll have much luck. If I do find one I'll hack and then try to lesson in one...Oh, what ring would you recommend? In our old snaffle it was a d-ring, but I heard in a loose ring they can't lean...?
A french link is basically a snaffle, except it has a "bean" in the middle that makes it double jointed, and doesn't apply as much pressure to the palate, and provides a little tongue relief without as much of a nutcracker action. The o-rings are only useful if you have a horse who grabs the bit between his teeth and takes off with it--if your horse is just leaning into it, it will not help you.

I rode my OTTB who was more or less fresh off the track and liked to lean sometimes in a french link for awhile--but having a bit in his mouth actually distracted him, so I chose to go bitless. I did not have any problems controlling him in it however.


I'm going to answer for w_s....I don't think she neccesarily means make him go forward as in faster, but get his butt working under him to get him to balance out. Its the difference between pulling a cart from the front up a hill and pushing it from the back. You want him to be pushing himself forward starting in his back end, not pulling himself forward with his front legs.


Here is a picture of the french link. I DO have one for sale if you'd like to try it, its 4 3/4" .
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post #17 of 26 Old 06-10-2010, 02:03 PM
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french links are nice bits

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Thanks everyone!

Well I chatted with my trainer and she said I could give the french link a go if I really wanted...well guess what? I really want to! She has one at the barn I can ride him in and see how he is. She said hacking him in it will be fine, but thinks that he will be too strong when he jumps. But either way, I'm hopefully hacking in it today and if all goes well will be lessoning in it Saturday.

Does it make sense to use an elevator jumping if needed, or do you think if he does fine in the french link jump him in that?

When my trainer said that the elevator wasn't harsh and it was like the french link, I think what she meant was the mouth piece was similar, like it I were to put it on with absolutely no contact it would be similar, aside from the "bubbles." I believe that the bit itself isn't harsh, but it's function is. For example if I had no contact on his mouth it wouldn't be severe, but once I start pulling it is. Who knows? I just know I'm anxious to try the French link...I will try to post an update soon!

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If he goes fine in the frnech link, there is no point switching back to the elevator - It will only make him unhappy. However if it is what you need for that extra control in the ring, then go back t it, but PLEASE use two reins. I really think it will solve the head shaking on turns if you just use the snaffle rein then and only use the gag ring if it is needed.

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And wild spot - you're saying drive him forward when he starts to lean? Oh, and btw, your advice has helped me tremendously!
Yup, as Justsambam said, not forward as in faster, but forward into a holding rein so he shortens up and brings his weight back onto his hind end. You can feel it, because the canter becomes really BOUNCY!

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Thanks!

About the two rein deal...if it comes down to it, I'm really trying to avoid the elevator altogether. My fear about the two reins is I would get confused! The fact of the matter is that there's an underlying problem that needs to be fixed. I know this because as soon as I take him out of a stronger bit he reverts back. I think it would be simpler in the long run to fix the problem to begin with. I never used to use a strong bit, but I was told that in jumpers I need it to make the sharp turns. Do other jumpers use the french link? I would feel a lot better if they did!

Oh, and my trainer said that by using 2 reins I'm only making the bit stronger...maybe she means if I pull on both of them at the same time?
Kinda confused about that!

But anyway, I'm hopefully going out later and will see how he goes! Fingers crossed!
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