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post #51 of 72 Old 08-29-2013, 04:41 PM
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Jackie McConnell is riding a horse in the class in the 1988 video, a good close up of his face at about 6:30.


I'm pretty sure he is soring TWH, and saw him demonstrate how to in a video on another thread. I believe he has been convicted, claimed he turned around, and been caught going back to his old ways.


So his presence in the 1988 video makes me doubt there is no such abuse in the Saddlebred world.

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Nope. You cannot cause pain to a Saddlebred's feet or legs to create that high action. You simply cannot "sore" a trotting horse. If you could, I could say with certainty that there would be some, possibly many, that would. We don't have to go through the type of checkers that the TWHs do, not because "they" haven't "found out" about it. It is because we do not, can not sore our horses.

There are plenty of abuses in the breed, but soring is not one of them.
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post #53 of 72 Old 08-30-2013, 03:10 PM
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I'm sorry, but that's just the Saddlebred's version of the Big Lick Walkers. And many of them are sored just like the Walkers are to get that exagerated gait. Just shameful to say they "love" their horses and then can do such despicable things to them just to show.

I don't know where you get this from but a Saddlebred MUST trot and has to trot SQUARE. They will NOT do that if they are sored.

Period.
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I couldn't answer 'how'. I would have to ask the people who did it, they were excused from the ring with obvious sore marks on the horse's pasterns. Maybe he wasn't sored and possibly chains instead.

There are DQP's at ASB shows, thanks to the Big Lick people as decades ago many of the shows had classes for both breeds.

You can have a horse excused from the ring if they even have a small area of missing hair. The horses are many times checked going into and if you place, you are checked again coming out.

And doesn't mean they had anything done to them, just maybe scratched leg in stall, but still if have mark, will be excused.

And the chains are light, not the logging chains people use on Big Licks.

We used the light plastic chains you buy to hang planters with quite often.

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I too wish I could put a horse into the ring again. Too old and way to fat now.

Wonderful horses to work with, ride and be around.

As for the moving fast, they are not running faster than human can run, but you are still moving at some speed, and they hit the ring at a trot, and they do work in the aisles at their home barns most of the time, so the horses are extremely used to horses dashing past them. Doesn't bother them a bit, and actually I've groomed some on string that would lean head sideways to watch one working too. Don't know if they had any training tips, but sure looked like they were studying them.

And the Roadster class! Go for the doctor and cover those drink cups!!!!

Best breed in the world to me...love them.

And as for what type of calm they can be?

I've brought horses on my string back to barn at Royal when the area was so crowded with people that I had to actually push people out of way, and the masses would close around the horse again, on all sides and never ever had one back an ear, or do anything but calmly walk through that crowd and never did a thing wrong.
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Jackie McConnell is riding a horse in the class in the 1988 video, a good close up of his face at about 6:30.


I'm pretty sure he is soring TWH, and saw him demonstrate how to in a video on another thread. I believe he has been convicted, claimed he turned around, and been caught going back to his old ways.


So his presence in the 1988 video makes me doubt there is no such abuse in the Saddlebred world.

Saddlebreds are governed under US Equestrian Federation (USEF) rules for their breed. Hackneys, Morgans and Arabians also have strict rules under USEF. Walking horses are not part of USEF.

Far too often, those involved in showing the Tennessee Walking Horse have turned a blind eye to abusive trainers, or when they do take action, the penalties are so minor, it does nothing to prevent the abuse.

As others have stated. Nobody here is claiming there is no abuse in the Saddlebred world, there just isn't "soring" as You CAN'T sore a trotting breed. There are bad apples in every breed so yes, sadly, there is some abuse happening. Happily, there are also a lot of folks fighting against that as well. Competition sadly brings the worst out in many people. Not all people however, cave to the abuse to win theory. I showed for many years and never hurt my horses. I have had many friends who showed who never hurt their horses. If we win that is great but it is about more then a ribbon to us, we actually love our horses.
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Oh, that is a good one. :)
I love the part towards the end, while the others are having a workout, in a large arena full of screaming people, they are just standing around on their horses shooting the breeze. ...and the one gives the others horse a peppermint, again, while 'chaos' is happening around them. So cute.
I saw the live stream of that class and really liked that Marc of Charm stud Lionel was riding (they were 4th)...and now after seeing this perspective, I like him even better, what a nicely trained horse.
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I LOVE Marc's mane. I know the perspective was weird, but did your watch the rail go flying by at the rack? I think this one was the best video. Melissa and Melinda are sisters. Their dad was the great Tom Moore.
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Here is one of the best road horse drivers.

Roadsters are USTA registered trotting Standardbred horses. They are a staple at any Saddlebred show. Saddlebreds used to be allowed in this division but it switched to strictly Standardbreds many years ago.

Yeah boy!
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