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post #21 of 30 Old 12-26-2018, 08:20 PM
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Yeah, its always a judgement call on what a horse needs.

For me, its been helpful to learn body language, as I’m pretty convinced my Aria acts out due to fear, as opposed to dominance.

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But why the fear? Could be that she is worried that you are not acting like a confident leader for her, and she thinks she has to make decisions....

Biggest mistake I made with my last horse, big red mare, was trying to be her buddy. Turned out she wasn’t into having buddies, her life was about lead, or be led, and she would prefer to lead to be honest!
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post #22 of 30 Old 12-26-2018, 09:12 PM
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I try to be what my horse needs me to be, that changes from horse to horse, and day to day with the same horse.
Golden Horse beat me to it!

My horses aren't the same from day to day. I am as kind, light and encouraging as possible, and as firm, stern and insistent on good behavior as necessary.
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post #23 of 30 Old 12-26-2018, 09:15 PM
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I am the alpha boss mare. I am always large-and-in-charge, I am there to feed, guide, and protect. I always get total respect interspersed with lots of mutual affection.

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post #24 of 30 Old 12-26-2018, 09:20 PM Thread Starter
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But why the fear? Could be that she is worried that you are not acting like a confident leader for her, and she thinks she has to make decisions....

Biggest mistake I made with my last horse, big red mare, was trying to be her buddy. Turned out she wasn’t into having buddies, her life was about lead, or be led, and she would prefer to lead to be honest!
I’ve been meaning to meet the lady owned her before her current owner, to figure out if there is an answer.

I do know Aria is less spooky/aggressive around me than she was around her owner, or around the one trainer I’ve seen her work with.

(The trainer claimed she “could have been killed” when aria spooked at a lawn mower. But I’ve never seen her freak out that badly. In fact, Aria never spooks at all w me anymore.)

I also know that Aria’s “moment of fame” at the ranch was when some other trainer was doing a session with her and she jumped the fence on the corral. In the process, Aria snagged a leg and crashed to the ground. Could have died and freaked everyone out.

Personally, I just think she’s naturally timid, and has been subjected to too many different training methods by too many different people. She got passed around, pushed around, and then left in a field for 2 years. Which was fine with her. Her shtick was not about leading OR following, but getting all those scary humans to leave her alone!

I may not be the most experienced horsepeeson, but doing to same thing with the same person every day seems to have made a huge difference. Aria’s much, much calmer now. Still unsure sometimes. But she looks to me for direction, which is big.

Anyway, yeah. There may be a better leader for her out there in the world, but there doesn’t appear to be one on the island. As a therapy horse for me, she does just fine. But I sure won’t be training her for any rodeos!
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post #25 of 30 Old 12-26-2018, 09:23 PM Thread Starter
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I think some horses, like some humans, have low stress tolerances.
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post #26 of 30 Old 12-26-2018, 11:22 PM
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I guess I'm another No-Nonsense Nancy with a side of Job's patience. I also agree that every horse and every situation are different.


Example: my two chestnut mares who are nearly identical and BFFs both want to steal my geldings food every morning. He's the most mellow alpha horse I've ever known. Every morning, I stand near him to defend his food from those two mares. A simple "Susie, quit!" and maybe a clap of my hands sends her back 5 paces or out the door. However, "Sunny, move!" and a hard smack on the chest will make her move one hoof back. If I chase her out of the barn with a lunge whip, she's back 10 seconds later. They're both sweet horses, but their discipline thresholds are very different.


Another example: Sunny was being ridden in a lesson by a little boy. She bucked (pathetically), but my response was to the boy. "Boy, if you keep kicking her when she's already trotting, she's going to get annoyed. Just cluck to her. She'll go. The more gentle you are with her, the more gentle she'll be with you." Another time she bucked (also pathetically) in a lesson with a different kid, but that time it was just because of a bad attitude. I had the kid dismount, and I lunged Sunny around by the reins for about a minute until the response to "whoa" was an immediate stop with two eyes and two ears saying "Yes ma'am! What now?" Same problem, same horse, two different situations, two different responses. Both ended with a happy well-behaved horse and a happy rider.


The more time you spend around horses, the more you'll learn to read their body language. Some horses, like Sunny, telegraph their intentions long before they do anything. A shift in weight or a pinned ear can tell you a lot. That body language determines the best response. Does the horse have a bad attitude, or is it human error? Often the most effective correction happens the second before the horse does something wrong. The look on Sunny's face every morning is priceless when I correct her the moment before she steps towards the gelding's food, "How did she know?"
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post #27 of 30 Old 12-27-2018, 12:11 AM Thread Starter
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whereas the pony needs someone who's willing to smack him every now and then to keep him in his place.g
Small horses (like small dogs) always seem to be the naughtiest.
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post #28 of 30 Old 12-27-2018, 03:10 AM
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In answer to the original question I would like to say I was good trainer!

One thing I did with the horses was to get them to 'blame' me for spooky things. I did things like go to feed them carrying a golfing umbrella, kicked a soccer ball in the loose barn all around the youngsters, had an old football rattle which made a heck of a racket so that when something occurred they looked at me as if to say "What's the heck is she up to now?"

I loved my evening time with the horses in winter. I would go down to do a late check, usually between 9 and 10, I would feed those that had a late feed, and skip out all in stables.

One night the youngsters had pulled a bale wrap into the loose area. I went in and picked it up. They were all around me and one took the wrap in his teeth and was holding on. I threw the wrap over his head and neck and it went over him and another yearling with a weaner between them and non moved a muscle.

They just accepted what I did to them because they trusted me.
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post #29 of 30 Old 12-27-2018, 04:13 AM
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I'm a pretty laid back person but can amp it up when the situation calls for it. I'm with @RegalCharm in that there are certain actions that earn corporal punishment. If they are doing anything with the intention to harm as in biting or kicking, they are going to wish the thought had never entered their mind in the first place. I've had all my current horses long enough that they rarely need more than a low and loud AAAAAA and even rarer a light smack to emphasize it because they didn't stop their undesired action fast enough.

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post #30 of 30 Old 12-27-2018, 10:52 AM
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I like to be very calm, a ‘leader’ to the horses but also a companion of sorts. But It also depends on the situation, if the situation calls for it, then I will amp it up- like another poster said- I like to talk to the horses alot, other girls at the barn look at me like Im crazy but thats alright 😉
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