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post #21 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 02:51 AM
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Ireland, without a doubt.

There are so many small roads. It's so quiet. NO predators, just sheep. So many horses to be found. Green, Green, Green grass everywhere. Beaches. Trails. Wilderness. Reminds me of PNW but with less people and gorgeous , silent, hills. We took a trip and the whole time I thought about how amazing it would be to live & keep horses there.
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post #22 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 11:02 AM
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I like Wyoming, but it's not for everyone.

I like the wind. But visitors and newcomers usually complain. I like the challenging weather: tops 100* in the summer, frequently below zero in the winter, with several days having a change of 40-50 degrees. Makes me feel alive. It's invigorating.

There is lots of public land, but not with improvements for recreational riders.

I like living and working here and am grateful to get to be around really good horsemen and doing work with really good horses.

What qualifies as "heaven" to me may not suit someone else.
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post #23 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 12:11 PM
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My Mom was a military wife. During the 23 years of marriage before my Dad died in Vietnam, they moved 21 times. She said heaven was something you made, not a place you went to. "If you look for the good, you will find it. If you look for the bad, you will find it too. Your choice!"

I'm hoping to move within the next year, from the Sonoran Desert of southern Arizona to...where? I love southern Utah, and riding in the outback of central/southern Utah sounds pretty good to me:





But it would mean more snow and some challenges finding a good place for the horses to live when NOT in the outback. Northern Arizona? Warmer, lots of mountains and valleys most people never see because they think the Grand Canyon is the end all/be all of northern Arizona. But I admit I've looked at parts of Texas and Oklahoma. More land for the $$$ and nice living for the horses, but not a lot of mountains and public land. Nevada? TONS of public land - from the BLM website...can't help wishing it was Bandit & Me:



Or stay here, with state land 1/4 mile away and the ability to drop into a sandy wash 200 yards from a house and yet FEEL like one is in the middle of nowhere:



The more I look, the smarter my Mom seems to have been: "If you look for the good, you will find it. If you look for the bad, you will find it too. Your choice!"

Riders ask "How?" Horsemen ask "Why?"
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post #24 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 03:40 PM
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My Mom was a military wife. During the 23 years of marriage before my Dad died in Vietnam, they moved 21 times. She said heaven was something you made, not a place you went to. "If you look for the good, you will find it. If you look for the bad, you will find it too. Your choice!"
My dad, also military, always told us kids, "Don't waste your life looking for a place make you happy. Learn to be happy in whatever place you're in.". Wise words from a very wise man.

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post #25 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 04:54 PM
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I've spent most of my life dreaming about getting out of Arizona. Missouri was high on the list due to more favorable land prices and lots of National Forest. And the climate sounds nice too. Ponds, grass.........how does one even maintain a horse on pasture? I have no idea!

I was born in the Phoenix area and HATED it. We moved to Northeastern Arizona and that should have been heaven.......but with the prolonged drought and several close calls, we worry about wildfires every spring and summer now. It's a real stressor.

Besides worrying about being burned out by wildfire, hay prices are sky high and you have to feed hay year round.......because, no pasture! So when everyone talks about having to buy hay for the WINTER and how they are only paying a few bucks a bale I get green with envy!

On the plus size, it is beautiful here. We are out of the desert and into the pine trees and while we get snow, I am rarely unable to ride for more than a couple of weeks, and that's just because I am too chicken to ride when the ground is muddy. (Arizonians are used to dry footing!). But we are close to National Forest, and hardly anyone else seems to use it (except for hunting season) so I can ride forever and probably never see another person, or maybe just someone cruising in a pickup truck. The weather is usually pretty good for riding here.

So yeah, if it wasn't for feeding expensive hay 365 days a year and the threat of wildfires, this would be horse-heaven. But I still know there MUST be a better place out there somewhere, with actual grass and no forest fires. I am thinking Kentucky/Missouri/TN/southern Illinois is probably close to it. But in the meantime.........
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post #26 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 09:00 PM
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I hate to bust your bubble about plentiful, cheap hay in MO, TN, KY, OK etc etc. The rains came this year but they were funky. Too much in some spots ruined the hay, too little in others meant no hay. Round bales are now around $100 or more and I've gone from paying $5/bale for bermuda (45-50 lb bales) to $12 for the same bales because they're being trucked in from out of state. There's no such thing as a 3 string 100+ lb bale of hay and you can't feed local alfalfa because of blister beetles. How much are you paying for those 3 string bales now? Grass & Alfalfa? I paid $8/bale for alfalfa when I lived there in 2006/2007ish.
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post #27 of 32 Old 01-05-2019, 09:57 PM
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I hate to bust your bubble about plentiful, cheap hay in MO, TN, KY, OK etc etc. The rains came this year but they were funky. Too much in some spots ruined the hay, too little in others meant no hay. Round bales are now around $100 or more and I've gone from paying $5/bale for bermuda (45-50 lb bales) to $12 for the same bales because they're being trucked in from out of state. There's no such thing as a 3 string 100+ lb bale of hay and you can't feed local alfalfa because of blister beetles. How much are you paying for those 3 string bales now? Grass & Alfalfa? I paid $8/bale for alfalfa when I lived there in 2006/2007ish.
$16.99 for 90-100 lb bales of alfalfa. $17.99 for 100 lb bales of bermuda. It used to be a little cheaper. A few years back I was paying around $13.50 for gorgeous alfalfa. But the prices have gone up.

A lot of people on the internet seem to buy round bales. But I have never seen a round bale where I live. We sometimes see 2 string grass bales from Colorado but they are like $14.50 each so I don't feed those.

When we first moved here, about 20 years ago, I could find 3 string bales of alfalfa for $5 if I bought it directly from a local farm that used waste water from a paper mill. But that closed down. Probably for the best, I heard some horses got sick from it. I don't remember why, I don't think it was the water, maybe toxic weeds.

I really don't understand no water = no hay. Everything is irrigated here or there would be no crops at all. But guess other parts of the country must just depend on rain?

I'm sure gas prices also have a lot to do with our hay prices. Because locally there really are no growers. Everything comes up from the Yuma or Phoenix area. I live up around Show Low.

We had relatives at one point back in the Missouri/S. Illinois area. They would buy cows just to keep the grass down, or so the story goes.
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post #28 of 32 Old 01-06-2019, 10:02 AM
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$16.99 for 90-100 lb bales of alfalfa. $17.99 for 100 lb bales of bermuda. It used to be a little cheaper. A few years back I was paying around $13.50 for gorgeous alfalfa. But the prices have gone up.

A lot of people on the internet seem to buy round bales. But I have never seen a round bale where I live. We sometimes see 2 string grass bales from Colorado but they are like $14.50 each so I don't feed those.

When we first moved here, about 20 years ago, I could find 3 string bales of alfalfa for $5 if I bought it directly from a local farm that used waste water from a paper mill. But that closed down. Probably for the best, I heard some horses got sick from it. I don't remember why, I don't think it was the water, maybe toxic weeds.

I really don't understand no water = no hay. Everything is irrigated here or there would be no crops at all. But guess other parts of the country must just depend on rain?

I'm sure gas prices also have a lot to do with our hay prices. Because locally there really are no growers. Everything comes up from the Yuma or Phoenix area. I live up around Show Low.

We had relatives at one point back in the Missouri/S. Illinois area. They would buy cows just to keep the grass down, or so the story goes.
So right now I'm actually paying more for hay than you are. $12/50# bale = $24/100#. Last year I paid $5 in the barn (so already put up under cover) vs $4 in the field, for the same bales. The big round bales were $35 for a 1600 lb bale, now that same bale (if I could even find one) is closer to $200. Nobody out here irrigates, we normally get plenty of rain to make the grass grow and thus are able to make inexpensive hay. But if there's no rain, or rain at the wrong time, after the hay is cut and is laying out to cure, it will ruin a year's production in a minute.

When I was growing up in So Cal, we never saw round bales either. That was considered 'cow hay' and not fed to horses. Out here they'll put up 3 different kinds, cow hay, horse hay and goat hay (more weeds than anything). Because of blister beetles, it's pretty rare to find alfalfa. It's a rare farmer who will actually spray his crops and is willing to guarantee blister beetle free hay, so we either feed the pellets or cubes or import from a blister beetle free area. My horses haven't seen a bale of alfalfa hay in 14 years. Poor things!
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post #29 of 32 Old 01-06-2019, 10:46 AM
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I haven't ridden anywhere but New England. The downsides are definitely the winter weather - it can get pretty cold, and wet. The soil here tends to be thin and rocky - coupled with hilly terrain, keeping fields drained and grassy can be tough. Upside, lots of access to vets, the Tufts animal hospital and veterinary school is right in central mass. Big horse culture - more barns than you might think for a small state. You can beach ride, travel a few hours west and ride in (small) mountains. The state parks are beautiful. For the human side, great hospitals and doctors, a trauma center on every corner (well, not quite, but we have five I think?), schools are generally good.
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Not Maine
Not Mississippi either


Except if you love bugs, heat and humidity
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