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post #61 of 71 Old 03-06-2013, 12:51 PM
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Showing in the UK (so breed classes, show pony/show hunter pony classes not dressage) they dope test to FEI standards (So it isnt the FEI themselves testing, its normal the affiliated society using the FEI rules), unfortunatly they do not control the stables to the same standard and testing only tends to happen at big championships (So HOYS, BSPS summer, CHAPS champs etc). It is amazing the amount of people who dont come forwards for a class if the word gets round that they are testing (or that they are pulling for remeasuring but that is a whole other issue)!
Its very scarey getting pulled for a dope test because stables tend to be accessable to any competitor/groom so anyone could give your horse something!!

There was a case at a show down south where one mother had slipped the competitors ponies ACP!

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Showing in the UK (so breed classes, show pony/show hunter pony classes not dressage) they dope test to FEI standards (So it isnt the FEI themselves testing, its normal the affiliated society using the FEI rules), unfortunatly they do not control the stables to the same standard and testing only tends to happen at big championships (So HOYS, BSPS summer, CHAPS champs etc). It is amazing the amount of people who dont come forwards for a class if the word gets round that they are testing (or that they are pulling for remeasuring but that is a whole other issue)!
Its very scarey getting pulled for a dope test because stables tend to be accessable to any competitor/groom so anyone could give your horse something!!

There was a case at a show down south where one mother had slipped the competitors ponies ACP!

And that's the issue with testing to FEI standards without all the FEI regs.

So lucky our CDI/CSI facility has separate CDI/CSI stabling and there are absolutely no drugs allowed in the barn. FEI tests are so sensitive (as Isabelle Werth found out!) that if a horse in the stall next to your horse gets a dash of bute or another oral medication, yours will test.
I have mine (for his scratches) on a steroidal antibiotic topical cream and I have to stop using it and clean almost everything in the sanitize cycle about 2 weeks before an FEI comp. I have all my buckets and dishes separate from everyone else at the barn and never feed oral meds in them.
Glad my NF has quite relaxed drugging standards, but still stringent enough to catch those "on drugs". False positives really suck and I would hate to have to be so stringent for every single competition. Remind me not to compete in the UK!

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And that's the issue with testing to FEI standards without all the FEI regs.

So lucky our CDI/CSI facility has separate CDI/CSI stabling and there are absolutely no drugs allowed in the barn. FEI tests are so sensitive (as Isabelle Werth found out!) that if a horse in the stall next to your horse gets a dash of bute or another oral medication, yours will test.
I have mine (for his scratches) on a steroidal antibiotic topical cream and I have to stop using it and clean almost everything in the sanitize cycle about 2 weeks before an FEI comp. I have all my buckets and dishes separate from everyone else at the barn and never feed oral meds in them.
Glad my NF has quite relaxed drugging standards, but still stringent enough to catch those "on drugs". False positives really suck and I would hate to have to be so stringent for every single competition. Remind me not to compete in the UK!
And this is why I am so nervous about showing FEI... with my luck... as of now I don't have a horse that could do it so I don't have to worry about it for awhile yet.

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we have a "bute bucket" i.e the bucket that is used if anything on the yard needs medication. They do NOT get it in thier normal bucket! It is the showing societies that you have to be very very careful with as some test to FEI standards and some to the race horse standard (jockey club?).

I only worry about drugs for the champs, never heard of anyone being tested at a qualifier or county show unless there has been an objection from someone (and as it costs 600 to dope test it has to be a very good objection) so I dont worry much about it (although in August you will find me frantic about it as the major champs are in august!)

Strangely BD do not test to FEI standards for normal competition (bute is still banned though at all levels).

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He is a big time show judge- but his barn is not a show barn, it's as far from it as you can get! Anyhow one time a boarder tried to fight it because she had a beautiful mustang with this huge thick mane and he forced her to clip a bridle path or leave.
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That's so bizarre... I'd have left if it were me. What does it matter to the BO whether or not my horse's whiskers have been shaved or he has a bridle path? That couldn't have been the BO's only quirk, either, I'd bet!
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That's so bizarre... I'd have left if it were me. What does it matter to the BO whether or not my horse's whiskers have been shaved or he has a bridle path? That couldn't have been the BO's only quirk, either, I'd bet!
I kinda think that too, but we don't know the situation. Maybe there isn't another barn she could get into, or maybe there wasn't another one with comparable amenities.

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Yep. I just wanted to ease the minds of some of the people who seemed horrified at the idea of bute allowed lol
Well, it is interesting to me that the same organization who will disqualify at the slightest show of lameness will allow the use of a drug which could obscure lameness symptoms. But then I don't really have a strong opinion on it and I'd hope that people wouldn't use bute for that purpose. :)
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Well, it is interesting to me that the same organization who will disqualify at the slightest show of lameness will allow the use of a drug which could obscure lameness symptoms. But then I don't really have a strong opinion on it and I'd hope that people wouldn't use bute for that purpose. :)
FEI doesn't allow bute. Equine Canada does. And only at a low dose. So it wouldn't be enough to mask any lameness.

FEI on the other hand... I would be living in a world of paranoia scared that someone breathing on my horse would make me test positive

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FEI doesn't allow bute. Equine Canada does. And only at a low dose. So it wouldn't be enough to mask any lameness.

FEI on the other hand... I would be living in a world of paranoia scared that someone breathing on my horse would make me test positive
Oh! I thought someone said it was. Hence the surprise! Thanks for clarifying.
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