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post #1 of 83 Old 06-04-2013, 10:47 PM Thread Starter
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Who in their right mind would name a horse Pogrom?

I just sent the AHA a very terse message and one to Midwest Training Stables.
Now I am going beyond the arabian communtiy to the guys with the big money, lobbyist, and legal teams.
I am notifiying the Anti Defamation League and the Jewish Defense Fund.
To really make matters worse this horse is owned by the Janow Stud in Poland of all places. The Poles with their long history of anti semitism know very well what the word pogrom means.
The weak excuse about the word having a totally different meaning is pure BS plain an simple. Also an insult to my intelligence.
I am very well withdraw my membership from the AHA if they do not insist on a change.
The stallion in question is truly magnificent.
However to name him Pogrom which means a massacre of jews is pure disregard for the centuries long murder of millions of innocent people.
Most of the death camps were located in Poland for a reason. Anti semitism was so ingrained in the society no one would protest.
I have known of this stallions name for 2 years and have quietly protested. Now as the grandson of a survivor of the Shoah I am appalled at the lack of concern. Shalom
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I am shocked that a breed organization would accept that name.

And don't anyone try to tell me it's "just a word."

I'm sorry for your pain, DBA.
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out of curiosity, what do they claim is the different meaning? I just did a quick internet search and there was only one meaning I could find....

Was someone at the AHA just not paying attention or can people just use whatever names they want?
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They claim it means a beacon of light or something like that, and that the words meaning was used by anti semites to justify their actions.
I was approached by a friend about buying a breeding from this stallion.
What amazes me is the lack of concern by both the Janow Stud and Midwest Stables.
The poles have leased him here in the US to promote him before using him in their program. They know where the big money in arabians and the best horses bred are from.
I have boycotted german products for all my life. Looks like I have boycotted the wrong country.
This is something we can change and thankfully here in the US the Shoah is not a joke or a good choice for a horses name.
One of the replies I received was that only a Jew would be offended.
now that he is here in the US being promoted for the Polish program we can demand a name change. Shalom
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Shouldn't it matter that a Jewish person would be offended? "Only a Jew" indeed.
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That is digusting!
I can think of a few terms used here in this country that would never, NEVER, make it past the initial registration request for for a name. Guess it just depends who is upset and insulted.
I wish you success with your protest. And please keep us informed.
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For more than a year I have wondered if I was overreacting.
At first I even bought the different meaning line of BS.
With the advent of the internet and the ability to access more than one source I am more than certain the Janow stud knew well what reaction might be expected and the definition most people would associate with the name.
I have visited a few of those death camps in Poland. It took me years to overcome the anger I directed at non jews for a long period of my life.
I understand it is only a horse and the name even if it is changed will not erase the motive or intent of such an insensitive name.
I do not want a breed that I enjoy to tarnished with a bad image. Or to see IBN pogrom, or bint pogrom, pogroms contorversy, or any other combination of the name in future generations of the breed.
I might not be able to force a change in his name but hopefully this protest of mine will prevent more insensitive names. Shalom
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I just sent the AHA a very terse message and one to Midwest Training Stables.
Now I am going beyond the arabian communtiy to the guys with the big money, lobbyist, and legal teams.
I am notifiying the Anti Defamation League and the Jewish Defense Fund.
To really make matters worse this horse is owned by the Janow Stud in Poland of all places. The Poles with their long history of anti semitism know very well what the word pogrom means.
The weak excuse about the word having a totally different meaning is pure BS plain an simple. Also an insult to my intelligence.
I am very well withdraw my membership from the AHA if they do not insist on a change.
The stallion in question is truly magnificent.
However to name him Pogrom which means a massacre of jews is pure disregard for the centuries long murder of millions of innocent people.
Most of the death camps were located in Poland for a reason. Anti semitism was so ingrained in the society no one would protest.
I have known of this stallions name for 2 years and have quietly protested. Now as the grandson of a survivor of the Shoah I am appalled at the lack of concern. Shalom
DB, the name fits him very well. His temper SUCKS, pure and simple. Watch the video of David showing him, he NEVER holds a horse up under the chin, prefers a long loose lead line so the horse can show off. He was working hard to not become that horses lunch. Wouldn't breed to him on a BET.
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I'm not Jewish, and I am offended. So you can tell the jacka$$ who spouted that BS that he or she is totally wrong.
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Please Remember , there are polish folks here as well.
And polish can be a tricky language, not as tricky as some. But none the less has its slang and pronutiactions that can really change the meaning.
My busha and jaja are and were straight off the boat. And while I grew up around polish speaking family, I never really picked it up. Well not enough to form a sentence.
I'm in no means upset, not in the least. But, youre looking at the name as offensive to YOU. where as a pole such as myself may find your conceren to be, well, your issue.
I'm not trying to be rude, not in the least. Just saying that that was their choice, they chose it, and didn't ask you first. It happens.
If you feel strongly about it, then continue on. I'm totally fine with that.
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