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post #11 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 12:55 AM
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DB, the name fits him very well. His temper SUCKS, pure and simple. Watch the video of David showing him, he NEVER holds a horse up under the chin, prefers a long loose lead line so the horse can show off. He was working hard to not become that horses lunch. Wouldn't breed to him on a BET.

Just watched videos of that horse too.....temperment is the pits.....pass.

Don't know much about the name deal, but it sounds very offensive indeed.
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Please Remember , there are polish folks here as well.
And polish can be a tricky language, not as tricky as some. But none the less has its slang and pronutiactions that can really change the meaning.
My busha and jaja are and were straight off the boat. And while I grew up around polish speaking family, I never really picked it up. Well not enough to form a sentence.
I'm in no means upset, not in the least. But, youre looking at the name as offensive to YOU. where as a pole such as myself may find your conceren to be, well, your issue.
I'm not trying to be rude, not in the least. Just saying that that was their choice, they chose it, and didn't ask you first. It happens.
If you feel strongly about it, then continue on. I'm totally fine with that.
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I grew up in Europe, Germany was just one place. We studied the Holocaust, and the horrendous toll Hitler and his Pogroms and Death Camps took on the Jews and those who helped them. I've been to Auschwitz and Birkenau and seen them. To name a horse Pogrom is akin only to naming one the N word or the C word. AHA would not allow that, and in their cluelessness, they've allowed a name that is no better. I'm certain no one will run the risk of offending Janow Podlaski by telling them to change the name. The horse has been very successful here, maybe it's time he went home.
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Polish is not English. If you have even a vague familiarity with more than one language, you will realize that the same sounds will be used in two languages, but will have entirely different meanings. As for instance the name of China's Chairman Mao, the sound of which is approximately "dung". Or even within regional dialects of the same language: a slang term for a cigarette in Britain is an offensive term for a homosexual in the US.

So why should Polish-speaking people give up a perfectly good word in their language just because it sounds like an offensive word in some other language?
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Polish is not English. If you have even a vague familiarity with more than one language, you will realize that the same sounds will be used in two languages, but will have entirely different meanings. As for instance the name of China's Chairman Mao, the sound of which is approximately "dung". Or even within regional dialects of the same language: a slang term for a cigarette in Britain is an offensive term for a homosexual in the US.

So why should Polish-speaking people give up a perfectly good word in their language just because it sounds like an offensive word in some other language?
Try that logic on your girlfriend right after you call her the C word and see what it gets you.

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I was born and grew up, during one of Hitler's wars. I really do understand, that unless one has truly been in such a war, it for most, really doesn't mean a great deal. Nobody can understand what it is like, to hear those bombs coming down upon you, every night and for years. Look at a few war movies and listen to the whistle of the bombs and then imagine they might fall on your home any second. I won't go into more here, but none of you would want to see what I saw in England, during the war and as a little girl.

During my lifetime, I have been privy to see many movies of the Jews and the camps in which they were kept. These are movies which only a handful of people across the world have ever seen. They are still in a private collection. Seeing them would change your lives for ever.

I can absolutely understand the feelings of our OP here. Whether or not it means much to many of us, the word means a great deal to the OP. The rest of us really must try to understand that. I don't know the horse, but do hope the OP can obtain some satisfaction from her outrage and sadness.

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I highly doubt that the people who name the foals in Janow Podlaski named this colt to offend anybody. I'm with the theory of a different meaning.
And I do wonder sometimes what all these Arabic names really mean and could be translated to......
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Perhaps the name was not intended to offend anybody - and perhaps the meaning of that word is different where the owners/breeders are from. However, imho now that they are aware of the common meaning of the word here where they are trying to promote this stallion - perhaps they would do well to consider changing the name. I have to agree, there are certain names that wold never be allowed and perhaps this should be included.....
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I did a little googling and this is what I saw

Pogrom | Define Pogrom at Dictionary.com

Word Origin & History

pogrom
1882, from Yiddish pogrom, from Rus. pogromu "devastation, destruction," from po- "by, through" + gromu "thunder, roar," from PIE imitative base *ghrem- (see grim).
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper


While it was used as a term for the slaughter of peoples, the word did not come about strictly to define that.
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I did a little googling and this is what I saw

Pogrom | Define Pogrom at Dictionary.com

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pogrom
1882, from Yiddish pogrom, from Rus. pogromu "devastation, destruction," from po- "by, through" + gromu "thunder, roar," from PIE imitative base *ghrem- (see grim).
Online Etymology Dictionary, © 2010 Douglas Harper


While it was used as a term for the slaughter of peoples, the word did not come about strictly to define that.
I found: from the Russian verb "gromit" meaning to destroy, to wreak havoc, to demolish violently.
Seeing that the stallion obviously has character flaws, there could be the reason for that name.
You Arab people maybe remember one of the best Polish mares ever shown, Pipi. Well, Pipi in German means Pee.........
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Regardless of what the word was intended to mean if I group of people is using it with offensive intent it's wrong. Period.

For example, a guy in England says "Hey, do you have an extra fag?" he is merely asking for a cigarette. There is no offence backing the word, to my understanding. Across the pond when a little boy wants to be in a dance classes and his parents/siblings/friends call his "you stupid fag" that's wrong... And don't try to come back with saying "Oh, they are just calling him a cigarette". If you truely believe that they are just calling him a cigarette I really feel terrible for you as that shows just how naieve and ignorant you are.
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