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post #41 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 12:29 PM Thread Starter
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Defina, Deseerthorsewoman, I have no issue with either of you. None with the German people as a whole.
If your grandfather, watched his wife and young children marched away never to be seen again or the uncle who at the age of 4 tried to run back to his father and was torn to pieces by dogs. How would you feel?.
After being stuffed into a train car for 3 days without food, water, sanitation, or facilities the death of my uncle showed the hundreds of people selected to "live" that they too would die.
My boycott is to honour my grandfather who survived 4 years in those camps and my uncle Sholmo.
Poles know very well the common meaning of the word Pogrom.
I also suspect that stallion is here in the US being promoted at such a young age by one of the best handlers to counter and adverse reaction to the name.
I can assure you and I think deserthorsewoman will back me up, that the German Stud, would never allow such a name offensive to jews.
The Poles suffered under the Nazis as well millions died.
I have recieved a message from the Anti Defamation League. They are shocked.
I am proud of who I am. For that I will never apologize.
My grandfather instilled in his grandchildren that everyone must stand up not only for themselves but for others who are persuecuted as well.
Words cannot harm you physically. Words however do have power. Shalom
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It was acknowledged.
*Pogrom :: Midwest
The paragraph "And there is the name"
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so no one has to go the website that desert linked...

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And Then There Is That Name

Perhaps it was a measure of the attention Pogrom attracted when he arrived in the U.S., but his arrival in Scottsdale hit the mainstream press as well as Arabian publications—and the standard media noted not only his extreme Arabian beauty, but introduced a note of controversy as well. Why such a name as Pogrom, some of the news outlets intoned, given its association with the Holocaust persecution of the Jews? Even fans too polite to mention it wondered, and Aria International’s Jeff Sloan admits to having reservations at first. “I’m Jewish,” he says. “I lost family members, so it is not particularly pleasant to me. But no one in Poland had any intention of using the name in any derogatory way. If they had, it would be different, but they didn’t.”

As it turns out, the name suffers in translation. In modern Poland, the word “pogrom” makes a daily appearance in newspapers (especially in sports coverage of successful athletes) and is largely understood as “invincible force” or “invincible hero.”

“I was very surprised [at the controversial reaction],” says Marek Trela. “Here, this word is popular and in use in sports, or any other competitive events or military reports and is also very traditional. In fact, ‘pogrom’ has to do with the scale of the victory of one team over another. The last thing I would have wanted to do is hurt somebody. Especially in a country like Poland we know what the Holocaust was—no one needs to tell us.”

He thinks of the night Pogrom was born, standing in the silence of the spring night, watching the big colt rise, steady himself and nudge Pętla for his first meal, already at ease with himself and his world. Trela smiles at the recollection. “I said to the groom, ‘he will be a pogrom of his competitors.’”
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How interesting that the word used for violent slaughter of innocent people can now mean an overwhelming victory, in a positive light, in modern Poland. It kind of makes me feel that they, as a nation, have never come to grips with their guilt in their past actions, and their collusion in many of the Nazi actions against the Jews.

It is kind of like how the Japanese did not educate their young folk on the history of their occupation of Korea and Manchuria, and their brutal treatment of those peoples, over many years, until somewhat recently. It was either simply not mentioned, or written of in language that made past actions seem quite reasonable. They had words more like 'liberate', then occupy, and "colonize" than subjugate.
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Midwest has LONG been known for the quality of their creative writing. They've pimped this horse to many as the BE all and END all stallion for their mares. Let's hope he's done enough damage and goes home soon.

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Midwest has LONG been known for the quality of their creative writing. They've pimped this horse to many as the BE all and END all stallion for their mares. Let's hope he's done enough damage and goes home soon.
Pimped is the right word and the 'drama' and 'theatrics' that surround some of these breeders is ridiculous.....all romanticism and fairy tales.........his poop is as stinky as my horses poop.....and his attitude stinks too. To be quite honest I think this is the kind of thing that gives Arabs a bad rep, people tend to think they are flighty and crazy.....that's what I see when I watch videos of him.

Just to add - I like Arabs......just not this kind.

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LOL .. Muppet .. I dont' know what video you are referring too (can't watch them at work) but I think Arabian Halter classes make them look stupid and flighty ..

To someone who doesn't understand they look like flighty horses running around their handlers like frightened loo loos....
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I have seen the website and I refuse to accept the lame excuse given by Trela.
I also refuse to accept his claim that he is surprised by the reaction to the name.
Want to discuss meaning of words. the word Holocaust is greek it means burnt offering. We jews who do not believe in human sacrifice use the word Shoah.
It means great catastrophe..
I am fairly certain if the jewish community started a protest and booed everytime Boggs entered the arena with that horse or any other he would change his tune. Fast I might add.
There are plenty of wealthy jewish arabian owners and breeders. Back that up with the fact that Jewish americans hold the most wealth of any group in this country even though we are less than 10 million. I bet Boggs changes his tune. Shalom
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My mother is Jewish, so technically I am altho I have am Christian by my choice, and I asked her how she felt. She said that she chooses to look at these incidents as a way to never forget. She also understands the outrage, but she uses it to point out victories especially in Poland such as the resistance at the Polish ghetto Mila 18. Without their bravery and endurance and the diversion of nazi troops the outcome in Europe may have been vastly different, just a different point of view. I do find the name not so much offensive, as tasteless and classless.
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I doubt much will happen to the name since, if he's already got foals with points, doesn't that mean he cannot change his AHA name?

Boycott the breeder, dont breed, buy or support the breeders. But to drag a gorgeous stud through the mud over a name he cannot help, is asinine.

People with true credibility and integrity don't need to tell other people how great they are.
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