Who in their right mind would name a horse Pogrom? - Page 7 - The Horse Forum
 179Likes
Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #61 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 02:21 PM Thread Starter
Trained
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 6,015
• Horses: 0
My anger is not at the Horse. I am pretty sure we wont get the registry to change his name.
I can ensure that the any arabian horse owner thinks twice before naming a horse such a controversial name.
I petitioned the AHA to change the name of one of my mares.
Her name is Blacklady Charabi. That IMO is racist.
Poland still has anti semitism ingrained in their culture.
More than one prominent politician has had to strenously deny that he was jewish. If Poland was such a tolerant country that would not be necessary.
I have gone to Poland with my grandfather at Aushwitz while praying kaddish for the dead we were heckled and laughed at.
I am serious about the vocal protest at the shows Midwest attends. Shalom
dbarabians is offline  
post #62 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 02:34 PM
Yearling
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Florida
Posts: 918
• Horses: 1
From a friend
"BTW, I work with a Polish woman (actually from Poland, not even sure if she is a naturalized citizen). I asked her what this word means to her. She gave the destroy, etc definition.
I then explained to her the drama of the thread.
With no prompting she said that she would guess the Polish person naming the horse never thought of how others would take it, that the work pogrom is an every day ordinary word over there. Not a word with some super secret meaning or slang. It just means destroy."
jamesqf and deserthorsewoman like this.

People with true credibility and integrity don't need to tell other people how great they are.
MsBHavin is offline  
post #63 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 02:49 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Northern Nevada
Posts: 1,725
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by tinyliny View Post
How interesting that the word used for violent slaughter of innocent people can now mean an overwhelming victory, in a positive light, in modern Poland.
Stop and think a minute. Polish is a different language in which those syllables have - and always have had - an entirely different meaning.
jamesqf is offline  
post #64 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 02:57 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,918
• Horses: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians View Post
Defina, Deseerthorsewoman, I have no issue with either of you. None with the German people as a whole.
If your grandfather, watched his wife and young children marched away never to be seen again or the uncle who at the age of 4 tried to run back to his father and was torn to pieces by dogs. How would you feel?.
After being stuffed into a train car for 3 days without food, water, sanitation, or facilities the death of my uncle showed the hundreds of people selected to "live" that they too would die.
My boycott is to honour my grandfather who survived 4 years in those camps and my uncle Sholmo.
You have no issue with the German people as a whole but yet you feel they shouldn't be able profit monetarily simply because they are of German Descent. That's not respect, that's revenge. Nothing illegal about it but is it morally right to tell an individual that you will not patronize his business or buy goods made in his factory simply because he is of German Descent and lives in Germany? Nobody asked him at birth "What country do you want to be born into? Who would you like to have as Ancestors?"

Do you also boycott American-made goods? Our treatment of slaves wasn't a whole lot better. Internment camps? While they were nowhere near as brutal or deadly, they still weren't a very humane way to treat people whose only crime was their ancestry.
Delfina is offline  
post #65 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 03:00 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Northern Nevada
Posts: 1,725
• Horses: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians View Post
Want to discuss meaning of words. the word Holocaust is greek it means burnt offering. We jews who do not believe in human sacrifice use the word Shoah.
It means great catastrophe..
The (lower case) word holocaust is frequently used in English, for instance describing the effects of a large fire, entirely separate from "the Holocaust" (capitalized), a specific historic event. If you go back to the Greek roots, it literally means entirely (holo) burned (caust).

Probably 95% of English speakers would not know what you meant if you used the word "Shoah", or might think it was dialect "Sho enuf". Again, different languages.

Last edited by jamesqf; 06-05-2013 at 03:02 PM.
jamesqf is offline  
post #66 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 03:01 PM
Green Broke
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Missouri
Posts: 3,860
• Horses: 3
Pogrom - Bing Images

Actually it is a Russian term I believe?

And no matter how you slice it? It IS offensive...I was mad just reading the thread title.

Be the same as if they named it Nazi, Hitler, or pedophile.

Some words are offensive as hell no matter what they are. This is one of them.

And for anyone that thinks the word is NOT offensive?

Click on the link above for the pictures of those killed in a "pogrom" and then tell me it is a great word.

And if link won't work? Type in "pogrom" and you can go view the dead.

Horses make me a better person.
Palomine is offline  
post #67 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 03:18 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 5,801
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians View Post
I have seen the website and I refuse to accept the lame excuse given by Trela.
I also refuse to accept his claim that he is surprised by the reaction to the name.
Want to discuss meaning of words. the word Holocaust is greek it means burnt offering. We jews who do not believe in human sacrifice use the word Shoah.
It means great catastrophe..
I am fairly certain if the jewish community started a protest and booed everytime Boggs entered the arena with that horse or any other he would change his tune. Fast I might add.
There are plenty of wealthy jewish arabian owners and breeders. Back that up with the fact that Jewish americans hold the most wealth of any group in this country even though we are less than 10 million. I bet Boggs changes his tune. Shalom
Now THERE'S a way to handle it. Since Trela is not here, but Boggs is.
I still don't see where it is the horse's fault, tho. If he has bad character will come out eventually. Such news travel fast in the Arabian horse world. But even that is to be taken with a grain of salt. More than sometimes it's the handler, not the horse.
I still don't think the horse was named like that for the sole purpose of hurting feelings. I'm convinced it was a stupid mistake. I'm also convinced it will take the above mentioned measures for them to realize.
MsBHavin likes this.
deserthorsewoman is offline  
post #68 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 03:29 PM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: USA
Posts: 25,673
• Horses: 7
I only read this page. I had to look up the meaning of the word and I can see where a person might find the name offensive.

My geuss regarding the registry is that when the application is received they run it through a database to see if it's already been used and then probably make sure it's not vulgar and that it meets a certain criteria (number and type of characters). I doubt they look up the meaning.

That being said, I would geuss the person doing the naming didn't realize the impact and though it was a really cool polish sounding name.

After saying all that, if you truley are offended, then I think you should write a letter to the association... You never know... they might take notice, they probably won't do anything but still...They may invoke a rule change... Who knows?
deserthorsewoman likes this.

"Be a best friend, tell the truth, and overuse I love you
Go to work, do your best, don't outsmart your common sense
Never let your prayin knees get lazy
And love like crazy"
farmpony84 is offline  
post #69 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 04:10 PM
Showing
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 47,771
• Horses: 2
If you plan to campaign your stud in another country, as a consumer "product" , you'd better take real care as to how you name it. Whatever it might mean in a dictionary in Poland, here it has a very negative meaning, and it is not reasonable to expect people to just ignore it. It's going to be offensive here.

Of course, the owners have every right to name the stud what they will, but they shouldn't be surprised when they bring him here, that it will elicit bad feelings.
morganarab94 likes this.
tinyliny is offline  
post #70 of 83 Old 06-05-2013, 04:22 PM
Trained
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 6,150
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by farmpony84 View Post
I only read this page. I had to look up the meaning of the word and I can see where a person might find the name offensive.

My geuss regarding the registry is that when the application is received they run it through a database to see if it's already been used and then probably make sure it's not vulgar and that it meets a certain criteria (number and type of characters). I doubt they look up the meaning.

That being said, I would geuss the person doing the naming didn't realize the impact and though it was a really cool polish sounding name.

After saying all that, if you truley are offended, then I think you should write a letter to the association... You never know... they might take notice, they probably won't do anything but still...They may invoke a rule change... Who knows?
Well considering the horse was born overseas, and from what it appears to be in POLAND it makes sense he was named with a Polish word...
NdAppy is offline  
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A Horse's Mind, and their bond with humans TheBayArab Horse Talk 17 01-13-2013 12:50 AM
Horse mind reading? JetAndGoldie Horse Riding & Horse Activity 20 08-27-2012 08:38 PM
huge horse with a mind of his own mcgillrobyn Horse Training 32 08-30-2010 05:22 PM
horse has lost her mind snoggle Horse Training 14 11-11-2009 05:40 PM
Horse Mind and Passion... BluMagic Horse Talk 3 10-28-2007 07:34 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome