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post #21 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 01:09 AM
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I am considering asking my horse's previous owner for some foal pictures. She has kept me updated on his half sister so I don't think it would be a faux pas. There is no harm in asking a previous owner about the horse as long as you recognize when to stop pestering them. People have the right to at least ask about their horse's past and/or bloodlines.

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post #22 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 06:12 AM
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we have a horse that my daughter owns ,we have no info on him apart from he was sickly as a youngester and was handed on ,not his breeding or what he is ,he is not good with women being much better with men ,we'd love to know a bit about about his history ,he'll be treated as any other horse ,but even the livary that he has says that he is strange ,and has hang ups she hasn't seen before ,we know the person who sold him and she will not give out any info or pass on the name of the person who breed him ,(who they say is a freind ),who his dam or sire is must admit we would not buy off her again ,the contact we have is when she wants to know if i'm intersted in another of her horses

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post #23 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses View Post

As far as my previous comment about knowing a horses past. I think alot of people want to use a horses past as a crutch when thier training is going wrong. "My horse is scared of ropes because he was beaten with them" or "My horse has always done that. Nobody can make him stop" it may be the case that a horse was abused but you still need to get them over things.
I agree with this 100%. Though, I do think knowing the horses past does help, like genetics, and how I could deal with it, or what to expect.
No offense but I honestly would never want to buy a horse from you or trained by you. I know where your coming from, but I hope none of your previous buyers comes on here and reads this.

It makes me wonder what my trainers say about me 0_0

Roro, I agree. As long as you ask politely and if they decline I would probably ask why, but if they gave me a legitimate answer then I would just leave it alone.

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post #24 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 08:01 AM
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I think those of us with one or two horses forget that horses are a business for others. A time = money business. They do not have the time or resources to care about every horse they every trained or ever sold. It is not that they are some cold hearted jerk as much as they have other priorities.
I would guess that Kevin has horses from his past that even though he sold them to new homes that he is happy when he hears thru the grapevine they are doing well.
But fielding calls from some middle aged newbie that wants him to spend hours describing the minutia of every step of the life of 'the cute bay gelding who is between 10 and 14years old that you trained when it was a three year old' would really get old after a bit.

As far as the OPs case it sounds like there was some financial wrong doings going on there so that might be the sole reason they do not want contact.
Or it might just be the case of the people selling to you do not want to be bothered to look thru their files and find the information and give it to and the story about the previous owner is just that, a story.
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post #25 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 08:05 AM
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^ I think even in the most lucrative horse businesses someone that works there can take 5 minutes or less to rely to an email.

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post #26 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by White Foot View Post
^ I think even in the most lucrative horse businesses someone that works there can take 5 minutes or less to rely to an email.
I suppose. If they choose to.

I kind of thought we were talking phone calls here and they really are a different ball of wax.

An email you can ignore more easily and address when you have time, etc. It gives the receiver the ability to answer it when and how they want to.
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post #27 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 09:29 AM
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I got my tennessee walker off craigslist, what started as finding a good horse that was already rideable (mine were young and green), turned out to be a rescue because when I showed up I could already tell he hadnt been taken care of. He was sick with a respitory infection that they said just started, thin, and had some cuts and bites from some stud horse they had just let loose in a pasture they had. They were idiots. Told me he was 7 years old and that they had him for 5 years etc. That the husband broke/trained him and they were loosing their pasture lease so had to downsize. Well after I saw him I couldnt just leave him there, but did tell them he had to see a vet because I had other horses to think of. They got him some meds, and I picked him up that weekend. Told me he was terrible about getting into a trailer, but he walked right on up like he did it every day. They were shocked. Got him home, got my own vet in for a second opinion, got more meds for him..and got him healthy again. The owners said he has never been registered but they had copies of his parents registration paperwork I could have. Well found out the hard way he wasnt broke to ride..ended up sending him to a trainer. But he was such a sweetheart on the ground..and what a personality. Did some research online from stud/dam owners, found a number to call that might be them..and guess what..it did turn out to be the past owner. And then I got the real story. She still has his mom and 2 of snaps brothers. She had never gotten around to fully riding Snap because she had shoulder surgery, those idiots I got him from had only had him for 3 or 4 MONTHS not 5 years..and they were supposed to call her first if there ever was a problem with them not keeping him because she would have taken him back in a minute. Now I send her emails with his progress, she is thrilled to hear all about how he is doing and that he did have a good home, she cried when I called her the first time and told her what condition I got him in. I also got pics of him dad and mom, as well as a larger history of his growing up life. So I guess in this instance it was good that I persisted in finding out because she would have always wondered since those people never returned her emails on how he was doing. All of this just to make 200 more than they paid for him. I never let those people know that I realized he wasnt what he was supposed to be, I wouldnt have taken him back to those people anyway..and he now is happy and totally rideable with me.
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post #28 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 09:44 AM
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Some breeders sell their young stock unregistered, because they don't consider them good enough examples of the breed they represent. Which means they don't want anyone tracing the badly conformed, perhaps nasty tempered beast back to them.

It could seriously mess with their breeding program, especially if it's known that X stallion doesn't breed true to type, or that Y mare passes along an evil temperament.

This isn't anything new, and goes on at small operations as well as large ones. I could name several very large breeding operations that do just that, but I won't.

They're called 'culls', folks. Culls used to be killed outright, so I think the fact that now they're either given away or sold for a pittance with no registration papers is a better thing.

If the breeder doesn't want you to know who he/she is, then it's nunya. As in nunya bidness!

Just because something could be registered doesn't mean it should. The breeders are probably hoping if it's not registered, someone won't take it into their punkin' head to breed it later on down the line.

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post #29 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 09:59 AM
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VERY good point SR. I had not thought of that angle. It makes perfect sense!
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post #30 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 10:06 AM
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Most reputable breeders don't mind talking to you about a horse that was once theirs. I know people that are glad to know where their old horses are actually.

Traders on the other hand, seem to not want to be bothered

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