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post #31 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 10:13 AM
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Dog breeders do it, too. Which is why you now see merle colored dogs.

Merle is considered a 'bad' color because there are genetic abnormalities associated with it, and the puppies used to be destroyed. Now they're given away or sold as pet quality.

Unfortunately, some bonehead idjits decided that merle was an acceptable color to breed, so now we have all these fugly, ill-conformed, diseased dogs out there.

The AKC won't register a merle, which should tell these folks something.
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post #32 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 10:17 AM
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Most reputable breeders don't mind talking to you about a horse that was once theirs.
Unless the horse was a cull. A breeder doesn't want anything to do with a cull.

My late gelding's breeder went out of business many years ago. She's still very heavily into the VA Arabian scene, though.

I contacted her about 3 years ago, letting her know that I still had my gelding, and that he'd been loved and taken care of his whole life.

Never heard back from her, so I figured she wasn't interested. I let it go. Some folks, regardless of whether or not they're reputable, have no interest in the animal once it's sold.
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I honestly can't imagine a GOOD reason for someone to explicitly require their name be kept private in a sale. Was this the breeder, or just the previous owner? It just seems like a big red flag to me and a strange thing for someone to actually demand during a sale...

On a side note, I contacted Danny's breeder when I bought him, because none of his previous owners ever transferred his registration and he was still registered to his breeder. I sent her an email, with an update on him and pictures, and asked if she wouldn't mind helping me sort out his registration. She was thrilled to hear about him, told me he was her first baby that she ever bred and always wondered how he was doing. Now we're friends on Facebook and she's able to see new pics of him whenever she wants!

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post #34 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 10:36 AM Thread Starter
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It was the mare's Dam's owners. They sold the mare to the lady I bought her from.

The lady I bought her from said the mare was sold to her because they weren't doing anything with her and she was a good horse going to waste, so she bought her, re-trained her and put her up for sale. (That is part of her business, buying, training and selling)




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I honestly can't imagine a GOOD reason for someone to explicitly require their name be kept private in a sale. Was this the breeder, or just the previous owner? It just seems like a big red flag to me and a strange thing for someone to actually demand during a sale...

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post #35 of 57 Old 02-17-2010, 10:50 AM
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It was the mare's Dam's owners.
So the person who have been told did not pay a stud fee for the horse you have, right?

That seems like a reason to me.
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If I didn't have the money to pay a stud fee I wouldn't want my name tossed around. That's why she didn't want her name released I would assume.

I LOVE to hear updates from horses that I've sold in the past.
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Unless the horse was a cull. A breeder doesn't want anything to do with a cull.

My late gelding's breeder went out of business many years ago. She's still very heavily into the VA Arabian scene, though.

I contacted her about 3 years ago, letting her know that I still had my gelding, and that he'd been loved and taken care of his whole life.

Never heard back from her, so I figured she wasn't interested. I let it go. Some folks, regardless of whether or not they're reputable, have no interest in the animal once it's sold.
That's why I emphasised 'most'. As far as culls, you're right.. however - again most reputable breeders will talk and explain why they've not registered that horse ie; not up to expected, or whatever, and not make more by breeding the same sire/dam combo again, geld the sire or get rid of the mare.. whatever. That mare would be considered a cull but again, stand up people will tell a buyer she hasn't produced decent babies for her/his program. In any case they fix the problem and don't continue to breed what they have to cull out.

Those that just keep pumping out those they HAVE to cull IMO are not reputable breeders.

Unfortunately there remains those out there that will not be honest in selling horses and that will hide behind silence lol

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You'd be surprised at the number of people you might consider 'reputable' who have culled horses and said nary a word about it.

When someone has big bucks invested in a stallion or mare, they're extremely unlikely to geld/not breed it because it throws a bad one here and there.

That's just the way the world works. Is it right? Dunno, but at least they're not killing them outright anymore, and that's a step in the right direction at least.
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I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but it wasn't the lady I bought her from that did not pay the stud fee, it was the people that She bought my horse from that did not pay the fee.

But I just thought of something: If my horses mother was Egyptian Arabian, and the Stallion was a registered Paint, could they even register the foal? Not as a Paint, right?
The mother wouldn't qualify in order to register the foal even if she was a registered E. Arab.
Or am I wrong?




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So the person who have been told did not pay a stud fee for the horse you have, right?

That seems like a reason to me.

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But I just thought of something: If my horses mother was Egyptian Arabian, and the Stallion was a registered Paint, could they even register the foal? The mother wouldn't qualify in order to register the foal even if she was a registered E. Arab.
Or am I wrong?
That's incorrect.

The foal could be registered as a Half Arabian as long as its dam was a registered purebred, with DNA on file.

However, the dam's owner would have to agree to sign off on the foal's registration papers. If the horse was a 'whoops' breeding, she may not have wanted it registered.

I'm not sure about the Paint Association, so maybe someone who's familiar with that registry will know about having the foal registered as a Paint.
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