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post #1 of 15 Old 04-03-2017, 11:02 PM Thread Starter
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Why is the horse world so UNFAIR!!

Okay, so at my barn there I this horse, she is a Tennessee walking mare, she had an owner who let this girl(my friend) "adopt" the mare on certain conditions. However after 1 year of owing this made she wanted to move her go a different barn, because she didn't like her current barn. So she said she was going to move her. The original owner said she couldn't because she wanted the made at the current barn on only. Some talking happened "someone said this someone said that" lawyers were called, and in the end. The original owner took a horse from a 14 year old girl claiming "she broke the contract" why, just why? Honestly can anyone tell me what was going through her head. She doesn't have the money for this horse, what's she gonna do now????? She doesn't know much about horses and she can't pay for a trainer so what now, what now.
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post #2 of 15 Old 04-03-2017, 11:24 PM
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Sounds like some nice human error to me? Not enough info on the agreements or the other side of the story to say much.

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post #3 of 15 Old 04-03-2017, 11:33 PM
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The story is very unclear.
The owner of that mare, let a 14 old lease the horse, using the term,'adopt' although no formal agreement, with the mare legally still belonging ,to the owner. Is that right?
Then that girl, who does not own the hrose, decided to move her, with the owner then taking the horse back.Is that about it?
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post #4 of 15 Old 04-03-2017, 11:36 PM
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Was there ever a 'bill of sale' or any kind of contract that stated rules/limitations for the girl, the 'adopter'? If not, there is no proof that the horse truly changed ownership. I am not very keen on the specifics, but when I was going to do a lease to buy, when the sale was going to happen, i'd get the horse for 1 dollar just to make it a legal sale. However, the horse was NOT legally mine until I bought said horse, and everything had to be oked by the real owner- even when I opted for specific tests by a vet for the horse-which also would need an ok to move barns ( which wouldn't have been allowed) Also, was this more of a full lease situation/on site lease where she was paying board and upkeep of the horse? Unless paperwork was signed as legal ownership was turned over to your friend, the way I see it- the horse still belonged to the original owner. ( I adopted from a rescue, my horse legally belongs to the rescue and always will- I just get a 'free off site lease' of the horse)

I'd say your 14 year old friend had a hard lesson to suddenly learn: unless there was signed paperwork stating she was now the official owner-ownership never changed hands. If a situation arises like this again for this friend, or you or anyone reading this post- make sure the terms are crystal clear and fully agreed upon.

However, hoping things can be ended on decent turns, your friend can always let the owner know that if she no longer wants the horse or cannot care for it, she'd be willing to buy the horse.

I am terribly sorry for the heart ache the situation caused.
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This isn't a "horse world" thing, it's an "adult world" thing. That's why we invented laws and contracts. A 14 year old girl without her parents support wouldn't stand a chance in the adult world. No bill of sale - no horse, no car, no house... Sorry this happened, but it is a good lesson.
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Life isn't fair, the sooner one gets use to that idea the better.
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post #7 of 15 Old 04-04-2017, 06:07 AM
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This isn't a "horse world" thing, it's an "adult world" thing. That's why we invented laws and contracts. A 14 year old girl without her parents support wouldn't stand a chance in the adult world. No bill of sale - no horse, no car, no house... Sorry this happened, but it is a good lesson.
So true.
OP, your friend didn't understand the terms of the "adoption" and while it wasn't exactly fair for the horse owner not to make things clear, this casual borrowing of a horse is pretty common. It happens when a horse crazy kid (like your friend) is willing to take care of a horse for an owner usually in exchange for some riding rights.

At least in the US, no sane adult is going to make any kind of contract with someone under 18 so if one is made at all, a parent or guardian has to sign and be ultimately responsible.

Yes, the horse owner should have spelled all of this out at least verbally to your friend. The fact that this was a temporary borrowing situation, not ownership. I've had to do this with kids who I've allowed to ride and take care of my horses and have made it clear that this is not an ownership change and not only is it temporary, all decisions about the horse remain mine.

Your friend's situation may be a little bit unfair but it sounds like she misunderstood and thought the horse was truly being given to her. An adult would not give a horse to a 14 year old without a contract signed by a parent.
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I agree with the above. It is an adult world thing as @Horsef said. At the end of the day, the horse was not your friend's, it belonged to the owner to do what they wish with the horse. I am sorry this happened, but next time your friend needs to make sure there's a contract in place of some sort, it doesn't sound like in this situation the owner sold the horse to her, so she could do what she wishes with it. It was not sold to your friend.

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I wonder what would have happened if the horse happened to need some expensive medical care. Whose horse would it have been then, and what would be "fair"?
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post #10 of 15 Old 04-06-2017, 04:21 PM
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Okay, so at my barn there is this horse, she is a Tennessee walking mare, she had an owner who let this girl(my friend) "adopt" the mare on certain conditions.

The original owner said she couldn't because she wanted the made at the current barn on only. Some talking happened "someone said this someone said that" lawyers were called, and in the end.

The original owner took a horse from a 14 year old girl claiming "she broke the contract" why, just why? Honestly can anyone tell me what was going through her head.
Sounds like it's her horse and she wanted her back.

Also sounds like the 14-year-old girl was LEASING the horse, which is not the same as "adopting".

Bottom line is that the owner of the horse is still the owner of the horse. She can do what she wants with HER horse. If she doesn't want the girl to move the horse to another barn, then that's the end of the lease.

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She doesn't have the money for this horse, what's she gonna do now????? She doesn't know much about horses and she can't pay for a trainer so what now, what now.
Honestly, this sounds pretty snooty of you.

How do you know that she doesn't have money for the horse and can't pay for a trainer? Do you have access to her pocketbook? (Not to mention ... why does it matter to you what she does with HER horse?)

Don't assume anything about anyone.
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