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post #91 of 155 Old 10-19-2013, 10:03 PM
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I read people saying that in jeans their legs are to forward or they apparently can't get them where they need them. I also see where "supposedly" it seems to just be a problem for the people who ride in dressage or one of the other central European saddle designs. I can't imagine why you any problem.

I've never had a problem putting my leg in any position I want forward or back or whatever even on my stock saddle (traditional stock saddles have a dressage seat). Back in the 60's when I first started riding I rode dressage with jeans without any problems at all. Of course balance was the only thing I kept from that training when a few years later I started working from horseback and never had any desire to enter an arena again (nothing personal ladies, but after riding woods, roads, moving cattle, having a horse as a primary means of transportation I found dressage incredibly boring (but don't tell my old teacher that ....always loved how she taught balance and how it was always natural to me, even if the rest was wasted....she was a great rider and looked soooooo good in those tights both on and off a horse).

All that being said I'll concede that my all time favorite pants for riding is a pair of loose, 100% silk, dress pants that I'm not sure how much longer they'll last since I wear them more than any other single pair until the weather gets cold.
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Kayty, I don't see how any pair of decent jeans would cause all the ills described on this thread.

I do not hate dressage, although it isn't for everyone. However, I do dislike those adherents of dressage that describe others as "going for a plod on a trail". Oddly enough, some of us non-dressage riders do take our riding seriously, including those of us who like a plod on a trail.

As for Aussie vs English: I ride both. I rode in my Bates Caprilli CC saddle this afternoon. I also have a Bates Caprilli AP saddle. There is a significant difference between the two Bates. However, if I close my eyes, I'd be hard pressed to tell by feel if I'm in my Bates AP or my DownUnder 'stock saddle' - unless I squirm around enough to feel the poleys. I own both, I ride both, and I know how they feel. Maybe a genuine, made in Australia saddle would feel different...but I don't have $4000 for one of those so I cannot say. But yes - a Bates Caprilli AP 18" saddle and a Downunder Master Campdraft 18" saddle feel almost exactly alike.

"the fenders prevent your legs getting rubbed by a narrow stirrup leather"

Ummm...I've already posted pictures. I use my Aussie-style saddle with 1" HDR 54" English leathers. They are thicker than most English leathers I've tried. Heck, I also like to have the buckles hanging about 2 inches down from the top.

Maybe the difference in our experience lies in the jeans we wear. Maybe mine - cheapie Wranglers and Levi 501s - have flatter seams. Or maybe the material lies flatter. Or maybe there IS a difference, as mentioned earlier, between the build of men & women, so that jeans or loose fitting pants cause less problems for men.

I've never gone trail riding in anything but my Aussie saddle, and I've never gone in anything but jeans, yet I've never had a rub, blister, cut, bruise, etc from my jeans, saddle or stirrup straps. Maybe it is my preference for a forward seat, and maybe there is something about the change in balance that affects how the legs interact against the saddle - although I have normally ridden with a much longer leg than usual in a forward seat.

But if I've done it, and if thousands of men rode in loose pants in the Cavalry successfully, then it CAN be done. Denim is not some sort of demoncloth, and loose pants are not torture devices. It IS possible to ride, and to take riding seriously, without worrying about underwear lines...

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Bsms, just because you've never experienced chaffing, blistering, rubbing, etc, when wearing jeans does not mean that others haven't and does not make their points any less valid than yours. I'm really not understanding why you are arguing so hard about this.

I have never ridden in actual breeches because 1) I can't afford them and 2) we have one place that carries English attire in our town and they cater to the 5-foot-nothing, 100lbs-soaking-wet crowd, of which I am definitely not a member. So, I go to Walmart and for $13 a pair, I buy stretch denim leggings with an elastic waist in the back and back pockets. They fit similar to how breeches would with a tapered "skinny" leg, so I can easily wear my half chaps over them. They are only slightly less flattering than breeches, mainly because they are made from a thicker denim-like material, so they hide a smidge more than breeches would. I've worn them on four hour trail rides with minimal pinching from the flat inseam, but I have, on occasion, had to adjust them mid-ride because something bunched or pinched and they were just not feeling right.

Before I discovered the leggings at Walmart (and more recently now frat I've gained a ridiculous amount of weight), I rode in jeans. I worked for almost three months at a Girl Scout horse camp, four days per week, from 7am to 6-7pm, schooling horses, supervising trail rides, and helping give group lessons. Most days I went home bruised on the insides of my thighs from the seams of my jeans. Some days, if we'd had more rides or I'd had to school more horses, I would be rubbed raw and/or blistered. I went on one trail ride at my old barn on one of the dude string horses in an old hard seat roping saddle that was too big for me on a horse that was a rough ride while I was wearing jeans. That was the day I went to Walmart to find a better alternative because I couldn't even stand to walk after that ride due to how badly my jeans had chaffed me. I've ridden once in jeans since I gained all the weight last year and I swore to myself I'd find at least leggings in my size before I rode again.

For the record, I do not, nor have I ever, worn skin tight jeans or "with the waist 2" above the crotch," whether I was riding or not. I don't like that look on me or anyone else, quite frankly.

I played soccer for years. I've played pick-up games in jeans and bare feet. I've played games in a uniform and cleats. I've played in sweat pants, running shoes, with shin guards and without. None of the equipment or clothing (or lack thereof) affected my ability to play, but it did affect my comfort. By far, soccer shorts, shin guards, two pairs of soccer socks (one under the shin guards and one over) and cleats was the most comfortable. As a (relative) fat kid, soccer shorts looked appalling on me (especially our white away game shorts), but I wore them anyway. Why? Because they were more comfortable. If an article of clothing is made specifically for a sport (and I know everyone on this forum agrees that riding horses is a sport), there was probably a reason behind it's development and use. A lot of times that reason is protection, but a lot of times it's also for comfort and practicality.
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The main thing I see is a lot of western riders have more of a chair seat because they have to stop fast or just prefer having their legs infront rather than underneath. If they tried to pull their legs underneath them, I guarantee they'd feel pain and restriction from being in jeans. If you do that with breeches, they move with you, they stretch and give to allow you to put your leg there.
Just out of curiosity which of these positions is putting me in pain?
I can ask my former girlfriend if she has any with my feet back more (I'm sure she does ). There is no position in a saddle that causes my pants give me any pain or where the pants make me feel restriction.
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Well.....not quite
Cav went from trousers to flared breeches and "trousers" were just the old term for "pants". They were simply loosely fitting pants and they worked great for over 100 years. I've worn them (a LOT) and they are just as easy to move around, bend, do whatever in as any other pare of pants or flared breeches. In many respects they're easier to deal with than flare breeches once you're off the horse and about the same when mounted. The old trousers tended to be pretty heavy (heavier than jeans) and I don't recall any problems with briars or brambles. If that had been the case the Cav would have been in chaps before flared breeches . I'm not sure why they ever went to the flared breeches (which I've always thought wore horrible looking), but it was very fashionable for a time and I will concede that they are comfortable for riding

As a kid foxhunting in flared breeches, it was well accepted that the flare was to help with brambles. That was the main explanation given by the masters on down. I know, personally, that they do help keep them from digging in. The material was iron, so pulls were seldom a problem, as they would be in today's materials.
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I honestly do NOT understand the hostility here.

You say potayto I say potahto.

But let's beat a dead horse some more.

You say it's fashion. I say its comfort....you say im a lier....how is my own experience a lie?

Are you trying to tell me that my own life is a lie??? You've never met me.....you haven't ridden the same horses I have, in the same tack, in the same attire so how can you judge or tell me truth from fiction????

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.you haven't ridden the same horses I have, in the same tack, in the same attire so how can you judge or tell me truth from fiction????
Or in this case, truth form FRICTION
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I sure don't think men look sissy in breeches. First of all, men's breeches are cut totally differently than women's. They are quite manly with the back pockets and looser fit in the rise.



Some are pleated for more freedom



You don't even have to be built super well for them to look good.



If denim jean look is important, There are stretch denim breeches that look like jeans, but don't have the double lap felled seams that tend to rub many people.



Bottom line is everyone wear what they like. I would guess that prolonged riding in jeans can build a resistance to rubbing, if you are prone to it. I just prefer to be comfortable, personally.

I used to guide backcountry pack trips and I wore breeches with my short chaps (Chink$) and tall cowboy boots.


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As a kid foxhunting in flared breeches, it was well accepted that the flare was to help with brambles. That was the main explanation given by the masters on down. I know, personally, that they do help keep them from digging in. The material was iron, so pulls were seldom a problem, as they would be in today's materials.
Ah, but if you'll notice I was addressing your reference to why Cav was wearing them, not foxhunting. For Cav it was more likely because some General thought they looked nice, because they would have been using shotgun chaps long before then except that the trousers worn my the during the 1800's, up to the brief period in history that they wore the flared pants, were well suited for holding up to rough environments. We've bushwhacked through Southern woods with them standing up to the ever unpopular Roundleaf Greenbriar, with vines getting as big around as my thumb and thorns over half the length of my little finger.
Even the motorcycle troops wore the flared pants and they certainly didn't need to worry about briars . I'm much more inclined to think that the transition was made for the same reason that the Cav switched to trousers from breeches back in the early 1800's (much of what people call breeches today don't usually meet the criteria as breeches.....e.g. fencing breeches are real breeches). In the 1700's all men wore breeches. Thank goodness the become unpopular and out of fashion in the early 1800 as men (and military) went to trousers.

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Just sitting here cringing at the thought of a full day of horses sitting on seams.
Yes, it is possible to ride in jeans. Personally, I find it really uncomfortable and will only hop on for a wee spin if I need to while wearing jeans. Personally I also prefer tight breeches to keep everything from getting chaffed.

Breeches are designed for a purpose. It is no mystery that equestrians prefer them to jeans. Just like it's no wonder we prefer a pickup to a smart car for pulling a trailer.

As far as the old styles of breeches, those are pre stretch fabric. Without the bulge, and even with it, one would mount the horse only to tear right through the seams. One way stretch, and now our full stretch fabric, was a welcome addition to breeches.

As well jeans will ruin a good dressage saddle as they are designed for grip and contact with breeches. Not withstanding having seams ground into the leather.
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